Anonymous #1 8w

So that’s what’s called a contradiction!

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Anonymous #2 8w

Contradicting yourself :3

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Anonymous OP 8w

How am I contradicting myself?

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Anonymous #2 8w

If there are no borders the lands does not belong to anyone and therefore can’t be stolen. If the land is stolen then borders do exist.

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Anonymous OP 8w

If I went to your house and killed you for it, would you agree that I stole the house from you?

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Anonymous #1 8w

Well if it’s my house then borders exist

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Anonymous OP 8w

Would you agree that I stole it from you, yes or no?

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Anonymous #1 8w

Yes I would agree that you violated my borders and stole it from me

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Anonymous OP 8w

Borders are in the context of nation-states and countries, which indigenous Americans did not have, there wasn’t “land ownership” amongst them as we understand it today in a common law system, there were no clearly defined borders, no sort of border control… etc…often, much of the land, say, in the plains area, was for general stewardship for example, by anyone really. Then again, indigenous tribes differed but there wasn’t a widespread presence, if any, of how we understand land ownership today

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Anonymous OP 8w

You’re also presuming the common law notion of land ownership as a universal moral basis for justice, especially in regards to property, you’ll have to explain that.

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Anonymous OP 8w

Okay, do you also acknowledge that borders of private property do not physically exist in the natural world? Like you won’t see a private property have physically naturally occurring “borders” that prevent you or punish you morally, from walking passed it?

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Anonymous #2 8w

So then your saying the natives didn’t own any land or have any rights to the land they are native to

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Anonymous #1 8w

No, magic boarders preventing you from crossing do not exist.

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Anonymous OP 8w

Okay so then, you acknowledge that you can believe that something like land or property can be stolen, whilst also believing that borders are not physically real, or in other words. Are imaginary. Thanks for playing along.

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Anonymous #2 8w

You just used a bunch of buzzwords and called it a day lol

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Anonymous #1 8w

Not quite. In your example you gave (my house) a border does exist and was violated when you came in and killed me and stole my house. Super close tho!

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Anonymous #1 8w

You gave two different examples and are trying to play them off as one.

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Anonymous OP 8w

No they’re synonymous, you not accepting that doesn’t make my premise invalid lol.

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Anonymous #1 8w

If you are having trouble understanding how your point doesn’t make sense I’ll be happy to translate it into logical structure to help you out!

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Anonymous OP 8w

Mostly, yeah. Anyone saying either that you quoted is pretty much applying modern concepts to the past is a way that overlooks a lot of nuance. Not to mention this whole thing that liberals and leftists do that ties indigenous people ontologically to the lands of the Americas reeks of “blood and soil” ideology, also reifies racialism and can get into some grey areas that circles back to the likes of blood quantums and shit

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Anonymous OP 8w

House-property/which is considered to exist on land you also own. Borders-not physical, not real, concepts. You acknowledged don’t exist. Land that you own that you admit can be stolen from you, but on property that doesn’t have natural REAL borders Try again lol.

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Anonymous #1 8w

No they are not. You gave an example of my house in which borders exist and if you were to break in and kill me and steal my house, that’s stolen land. You gave a separate second example saying that borders do not occur naturally which they don’t but in the situation you gave borders DO exist they are just man made

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Anonymous #1 8w

No not quite I acknowledge they don’t exist by themselves in nature, not that they don’t exist. Try again lol.

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Anonymous OP 8w

you agreed to my questions premise, you can add all the qualifiers all you want but you quite literally said “No,” You managed to prove my point for me by answering a few questions lmao. I can explain it again so you can understand if you need me to. Do you?

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Anonymous OP 8w

Because a question does need to be asked should we tie some sort of rightful ownership to the land… what is a “native”? What is an “indigenous person”? Is it someone with native dna? If so, how much? Is it someone in the culture? How would that be defined? Who should give up possession? Someone who lacks the dna, how much must they lack (lot of mixed race people, lot of people with distant native ancestry), (plus this overlooks people adopted into tribes)?

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Anonymous #1 8w

Once again no not quite. I agreed that you violated my borders and stole my house. And I agreed that borders do not exist naturally but are man made.

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Anonymous #1 8w

Again, you are taking two different examples and trying to combine them into one

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Anonymous OP 8w

Didn’t answer. Yes or no?

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Anonymous #1 8w

😂

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Anonymous #1 8w

I can answer your questions once you can formulate a logically argument buddy

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Anonymous OP 8w

A “logically argument” Try again; didn’t answer.

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Anonymous #1 8w

Still no logical argument for me to answer lil guy

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Anonymous OP 8w

I actually only asked if you needed me to explain it so you can understand. I didn’t ask you to respond to the argument, you already conceded that lol. So that’s two things now you’re struggling to do. Spell and understand what the question even was.

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Anonymous #1 8w

No I think you were the one who conceded lol. You can’t explain your argument if there is no logical argument in the first place. Try again buddy

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Anonymous #1 8w

What you’ve done is essentially spout a bunch of nonsense, claim to be correct, and refuse to make any sort of logical point.

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Anonymous OP 8w

I have twice now. You’ve avoided my question for a third time now. Try again. Yes or no?

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Anonymous #1 8w

I do believe I said a few comments back that I can answer your questions for you after you are able to formulate a logical argument first otherwise me answering questions is just a waste and time and serves no purpose. If you’d like to explain your point again and see how it’s illogical go for it! In fact I actually encourage you do so has hopefully you’ll be able to notice the mistakes when writing it all out!

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Anonymous #1 8w

I am not going to try and answer to your criticism on my point if you are not even able to provide a counter point. ATP I think you might even be trolling

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Anonymous OP 8w

So yes you do? It was a yes or no. Try again. Answer this time.

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Anonymous #1 8w

Yes I’d love it for you to come up with a logical counter point!

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Anonymous OP 8w

Is that what I asked?

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Anonymous #1 8w

I just love how opposed you are to just trying to share a logical counter point. Really speaks volumes. If you are not able to provide ANY sort of counter point I’ll just let you troll someone else

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Anonymous OP 8w

Didn’t answer. And now you’re running. Got it lol. A single question and you just run away.

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Anonymous #1 8w

Because your obviously trolling 😂

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Anonymous #1 8w

I’d love to sit here and destroy every point your making but you’ve stopped making any points and have restored to trying to get a lil “gotcha slam dunk” to try and make up for that fact. It’s annoying af and not a good way to debate. If you truly want to discuss this you will provide me with ANY sort of logical counter point for me to discuss. Until then making little pokes and jabs is all your gunna do it seems

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Anonymous OP 8w

You’re** multiple times Resorted** I’m not trolling. You clearly don’t understand my argument, I’m giving you the opportunity to learn. You refuse to answer a simple question that can allow us to continue.

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Anonymous #1 8w

No your argument was very very very clearly very very very illogical you were trying to mush two comparisons into one as well as twisting and making up words I said lol

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Anonymous OP 8w

You claiming I did that doesn’t make it true lol. Again, you’re not understanding. Just answer; be an adult. Stop throwing your tantrum and I can educate you IF you’d like.

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Anonymous #1 8w

Lmao no one’s throwing a tantrum and if anyone is it’s you. I’ve been sitting here patently waiting for you to just come up with a point as you just run around screaming like a chicken. I’d love for you to finally calm down and come to your senses and try and give me any sort of counter point so I can try and help you explain where you went wrong

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Anonymous OP 8w

I did. You don’t understand. I asked if you wanted a separate explanation just answer so we can move on lol why does one question offend you this much

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Anonymous #1 8w

Why does my one request offend you this much lol

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Anonymous OP 8w

I’m only doing things in the order they happened. That’s good faith lmao something you’re not used to doing I’m sure

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Anonymous #1 8w

Literally just give me your counter point like I’ve been waiting for for like what the past 3 hours now and we can move on from this. Your childish behavior has just been getting annoying

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Anonymous OP 8w

Yes or no. Then we can move on

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Anonymous #1 8w

I’ll be waiting and watching this thread for you to post an argument till then I’ll just spectate you running around

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Anonymous OP 8w

So you’re too childish to type 2-3 letters. Got it. Your ability to answer 1 question shows the strength of your entire argument

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Anonymous OP 8w

You physically cannot even run away right lol.

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Anonymous #1 8w

Ok I’ve given you some time to cool off and maybe come up with a counter point. Did you use your time wisely?

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Anonymous OP 8w

That’s unfortunately not a yes or no to the yes or no question I asked lol. Avoid it again and I’ll accept that as a concession.

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