Anonymous #1 6d

Or are we not gonna engage. 💀

-1

Anonymous #1 6d

I don’t think you have to ignore the oppression of Jews to condemn the response that amounted to “what if WE got to be the oppressors instead?” when their were available alternatives.

7

Anonymous #1 6d

It doesn’t matter why it was thought up. Colonizing and subjugating is wrong no matter who is doing it

5

Anonymous #1 6d

Rising antisemitism? What about it

1

Anonymous #2 6d

You’re taking what happened in practice not what it was thought of

0

Anonymous #1 6d

I think those are pretty inseparable considering the original idea also included taking that piece of land, Theodor Herzl just forgot there was already people there

4

Anonymous #3 6d

Rising? Antisemitism in Europe was there from the beginning they didn’t even see Jews as the same nationalities and saw them as others

0

Anonymous #2 6d

Do you believe that Jews should’ve just stayed where they were and hoped one day they’d be seen as equal to Europeans?

0

Anonymous #1 6d

Now I will not advocate for what came of it. But I do wanna look at why it came to be and what was its original called. Rather than calling its evil bc look at it in contemporary politics.

0

Anonymous #1 6d

Yes, rising. It was intensifying in the late 1800s. Still doesn’t justify pushing out an established people for a civilization that existed nearly two millennia ago that you are only related to through beliefs

4

Anonymous #3 6d

I don’t advocate for the pushing out, but I do wanna ask in your opinion what should have Jews done in Europe?

1

Anonymous #1 6d

Beats me. But if they could successfully start a movement to physically move all Jews somewhere else…you can follow the logic there, I’m sure

1

Anonymous #1 6d

> what it was thought of Do you mean when Herzl described it as “something colonial”?

3

Anonymous #4 6d

Yes I’m describing the common practice of colonialism and its evils. I’m not saying Zionism good here I’m saying most the time I feel ppl on the left leave out context to it.

1

Anonymous #1 6d

The context that the founder said it was a colonial movement?

6

Anonymous #4 6d

I’m talking about the why he wanted to establish it. I’m talking about the why not that known evil of colonialism bad.

1

Anonymous #1 6d

Like congrats you’re atleast a centrist of the modern time

1

Anonymous #1 6d

Much of the opposition at the time of its founding came from Jews, and much of the support came from antisemites what

1

Anonymous #4 6d

It was mixed, Hitler did use it to show how Jews weren’t Europeans bc they wanted another state correct.

1

Anonymous #1 6d

I don’t think that helps your point

1

Anonymous #4 6d

I’m not saying Zionism is good idk why you’re acting like that’s my thesis.

1

Anonymous #1 6d

I’m more wanting to dive into nuance

1