Anonymous #1 7w

are we… not being subverted to the whims of an authoritarian right now that’s being bought and paid for by corporations and international players?

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Anonymous #2 7w

Yes but this took actual decades of planning and development, in communist countries this typically happens before the revolution is even finished.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Obviously communism being susceptible also doesn't excuse capitalism's susceptibility either, but I feel safe saying that one is very clearly more susceptible than the other.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I wish everyone knew more about how the U.S. government interfered and intervened in nearly EVERY attempt at a communist system across the globe to prevent its success… 🥲

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Anonymous #2 7w

Countries don't exist in a vacuum, you should expect your ideological enemies to act as such.

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Anonymous #2 7w

This is like getting mad at Iran for using hackers against us

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Anonymous #1 7w

we fucking put a dictator in charge of Iran and destabilized the country decades ago so more accurately, it’s like getting mad at Iranian people for hating America when we put them under a ruthless dictatorship. 🙃 like you’re telling me we did the Vietnam War just for opposing ideologies? we couldn’t have just left that tiny ass country to do some communism on their own on the other side of the damn world?

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Anonymous #1 7w

it literally started in 2026

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Anonymous #3 7w

16*

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Anonymous #1 7w

well, the CCP has the spine to prosecute its rent-seeking billionaires. we give their shell companies the right to vote in our local elections (if you’re Delaware) and to disrupt the federal election process for their own benefit. we allow billionaires to abduct, sexually abuse, and murder children. we allow billionaires to erode every democratic safeguard put in place to halt their endless expansion, and then we allow them to trick us into thinking they somehow “earned” it all.

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Anonymous #4 7w

Bro in China they take prisoner's organs without consent, where do you think Rothschild got his 8th heart from?

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Anonymous #1 7w

obviously that can all change the moment Xi, an apparently genuine and ideologically motivated dude, steps down (or more likely dies). It would take a single Ronald Reagan figure in China to wholesale sell out the future of the Chinese people and lower them to the mud in which we currently find ourselves.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I’ll go look this up. It does sound remarkably fake, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and do some research. Do you also believe they have a social credit system?

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Anonymous #4 7w

They literally already live in what we would consider to be slave labor conditions too

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Anonymous #4 7w

Idk about social credit per se, but I believe the government in China does mass surveillance just like here.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I don’t love everything that goes on in China. Their labor protections are absolute ass, and that’s how they appeal to American companies. Nonetheless, the Chinese government doesn’t allow its people to live on the streets. If you’re unable to find employment, you’re sent back to your home province and secured a home and job. They have public healthcare. They invest in public infrastructural development that benefit both business and citizen, which is something we’ve somehow forgotten.

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Anonymous #4 7w

You cannot even own a home in China, so no, you do not "have one". You are allowed use of one.

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Anonymous #4 7w

Big difference.

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Anonymous #4 7w

These things are not provided in the US. American corporations want homeless people on the streets. A population of people desperate for work ensures that the working class can never get too picky, as there’s always someone starving and willing to work for less. This is a pressure felt by governments that have capitulated to the interest of capital, not socialist ones.

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Anonymous #4 7w

Public housing and work assistance are actually both provided by the American government, and although these are not typically the best possible options for housing and employment, I know that even many Chinese immigrants prefer section 8 over tofu dregs.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Okay. Do you think that matters to the millions of American families that are forced to rent their homes? Or should we exclusively cater to the boomers who have put their entire lives’ wealth into their homes so housing becomes a financial asset, not a human right? I don’t care. Nobody who has ever struggled for a roof over their head cares about the minutia of homeownership, if it meant they had a safe and secure place to exist.

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Anonymous #4 7w

If renting here is equivalent to "owning" in China, then what's the problem with having so many renters?

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Anonymous #1 7w

This cannot be a serious question. The damn government is not a private landlord. They don’t arbitrarily increase your payment every year. They won’t kick you out over a minor grievance. Housing is fundamentally looked at as a human right in China, not a source of perpetual revenue, and these government housing developments are not private profit-seeking ventures. Furthermore, there are free-of-charge dormitories at most train stations for the homeless, where they can eat and sleep in safety.

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Anonymous #4 7w

They do not need to increase your payment because they will just increase your work load instead, the portioning of resources under socialism is based on a top down decision instead of a bottom up market of ideas on how money should be spent.

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Anonymous #1 7w

There's legitimately no need for an economic signal that shows you need to work more, when the government can plainly tell you to work more.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I can’t comment on that. Maybe you have met some Chinese immigrants that prefer American section 8 housing, and that’s valid enough. I don’t know what they’d see in it, as American public programs are notoriously underfunded and increasingly cut, but I’ve never lived in China. There’s much I admire about China, and much I don’t. Most of what I do stems from their ability to prioritize the uplifting of the whole of China, unburdened by the demands of a few wealthy and frankly evil billionaires.

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Anonymous #4 7w

The issues are still the same regardless if its a tofu dreg or section 8, in both cases the government's top priority is to spit out these projects as quickly as possible, with safety and livability only being secondary concerns.

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Anonymous #1 7w

China’s hybrid system is fascinating and complex, and I don’t claim to be an expert on the finer details of their economic management. I am certain, though, that what you describe is more reminiscent of Stalin’s Soviet Union than anything in modern China. The PRC operates within a capitalist framework. There’s a domestic Chinese market with independent companies that compete; look at their auto industry. It’s just that the CCP maintains the influence to guide their behavior and curb when neede

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Anonymous #4 7w

**capitalist framework may have been a stretch. they would probably say it’s limited capitalism within socialist framework, idk

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Anonymous #1 7w

I would contend that the US has additional priorities in the construction of Section 8 housing, tied intimately with the deliberate development of underserved and crime-rich areas in which the CIA could peddle their crack and the police could harvest extra inmates to line their pockets. Perhaps something similar exists in China, I wouldn’t know.

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Anonymous #4 7w

I wouldn't say capitalist either, but they definitely have a somewhat free market economy inside of their state socialist government. Still, the Chinese government is heavily involved in ensuring employment as a use of subsidization: they are perfectly able to signal the need for more work without necessarily changing things like rent prices

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Anonymous #1 7w

the chinese economy has been described as a communist jock riding a capitalist horse. I quite like that

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Anonymous #4 7w

Well thats fair, I'd posit that while you might have a case as to the inner cities literal Section 8 housing as the Gary Webb Dark Alliance book documents, I was using "Section 8" as a colloquial term for any public housing in America, this was certainly not only going on in ultra urban areas, rural areas had pretty significant amounts of housing subsidies as well, along with facing the same higher crime rates.

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