Anonymous #1 13h

Those "many times" were Soviet/Venezuelan-style takeovers that banned private stores and fixed prices. Nobody here proposed that. A public option next to private grocers already exists: US military commissaries run at cost plus a 5% surcharge and still beat local stores by roughly 20% stateside, per DeCA's own numbers. NYC is opening five city-owned stores on the same logic. Public grocery stores aren't a failed experiment, they're a benefit we already give some Americans.

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Anonymous #4 13h

Some people do want to be taken care of by the government. Some people take advantage of government programs to live luxurious lifestyles

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Anonymous landtrust 13h

Currently large corporations receive billions of dollars a year in subsidies, Israel received at minimum 3.2 billion a year all in our tax dollars. I don’t think I gaf if someone wants to use my tax dollars to live off of. Food water housing education healthcare should be a basic human right.

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Anonymous OP 13h

Did you choose for your money to go to corporations and Israel? I didn’t. I think we should have a choice where our taxes go

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Anonymous #2 13h

The model you’re proposing has been tried and failed, including in Venezuela. Taxpayers heavily subsidize commissaries to the tune of $6.7 million per store per year. You can help more people for less money with programs like SNAP.

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Anonymous #1 13h

There’s food banks. The problem isn’t lack of food. People just don’t use them

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Anonymous landtrust 13h

You really going to argue that people shouldnt receive food?

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Anonymous OP 13h

People do receive food. I’m saying that if you’ve fallen on hard times you should be helped. If you’re not looking to improve your situation I don’t think you should be helped

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Anonymous landtrust 13h

You can’t help someone who doesn’t want to be helped

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Anonymous landtrust 13h

You know this is true… consider your relationships and the ones that didn’t work out

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Anonymous landtrust 13h

Who on food stamps or medicaid are living luxurious lifestyles

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Anonymous #4 13h

I know of people in section 8 housing who drive Mercedes

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Anonymous landtrust 13h

Why does that matter? Regardless if a person wishes to survive off of free public grocery stores or not, EVERYONE deserves food. People should be able to live comfortably. Luxury should be worked for not basic human living.

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Anonymous OP 13h

Everyone deserve food and anyone can get it from food banks for free

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Anonymous landtrust 13h

it’s not just that people don’t use them. It’s that access is dissuaded by cultural stigma.

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Anonymous #2 13h

And because people don’t want help. You can’t help someone who doesn’t want help

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Anonymous landtrust 13h

Many food banks face shortages due to relying on charity. They are not what I am talking about. A public grocery store would be less likely to.

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Anonymous OP 13h

Id be interested in trying out a state run grocery store, see what kind of results they can get

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Anonymous landtrust 13h

and you can’t get someone to want help in a culture of hyper individualism where not being able to support yourself purely on your own is shamed and stigmatized.

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Anonymous landtrust 13h

do you think that an anecdote is indicative of a systemic issue?

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Anonymous landtrust 13h

Federal not state.

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Anonymous #5 13h

My experiences and the experiences of people I trust is what drives my perspective on all issues

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Anonymous OP 13h

I mean government

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Anonymous landtrust 13h

that’s a really bad idea. Statistics and research are very important to ground yourself on issues that are bigger than your own experience.

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Anonymous landtrust 13h

That is a horrible way to look at it. You are essentially saying if no one around me has experienced racism, then it isn’t an issue.

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Anonymous #2 13h

I trust my experiences more than statistics which attempts to capture my experiences

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Anonymous landtrust 13h

saying the same thing again doesn’t make it right. you should be equally skeptical of both.

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Anonymous OP 13h

If no one around me has experienced racism, then it isn’t an issue with the people around me. Maybe it’s an issue for other people that aren’t around me, but it doesn’t say anything about them

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Anonymous landtrust 13h

"the only issues are ones that I've personally experienced" bro caught the conservative mind virus

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Anonymous landtrust 13h

greed 101

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Anonymous #2 13h

Skeptical of my experiences? What do you mean? They’re my experiences

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Anonymous landtrust 13h

have you heard of the DIKW model?

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Anonymous #2 13h

No I haven’t

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Anonymous #4 13h

No, what I’m saying is that I trust my experiences over data that says my experiences didn’t happen

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Anonymous landtrust 13h

What? That’s not what you said. You said your experience and the experience of those you trust shape your perspective on issues. That means if an issue affecting 99% of the population doesnt affect you, then it isn’t an issue to you. If you nor someone you love didnt die from the black plague then you would say the black plague isnt an issue.

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Anonymous OP 13h

My experiences shape my perspective. So if I dont experience what happens on the other side of the country I’m not going to have an opinion on it.

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Anonymous landtrust 13h

So you shouldnt care that a person in whatever town in the US is receiving free federal food from a federal grocery store.

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Anonymous OP 13h

There’s an opportunity cost with everything. They can already get free food with SNAP or food banks. I’d like to see these things don’t work before trying other stuff, or take the money from these and move it to what you’re suggesting

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Anonymous landtrust 13h

Experience is data, not a conclusion. DIKW stands for data, information, knowledge, wisdom. Seeing someone on section 8 with a Mercedes is data. Information adds context: is that typical of recipients, and is the car paid off, gifted, or 15 years old? Knowledge comes from looking at lots of cases and checking your read against other people's. One person you know is a single data point. It can't tell you the whole system is being abused.

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Anonymous landtrust 13h

And wisdom is the last step: knowing how to act on what you know, so it shows in your choices and not just your opinions. Say you looked into it and found some fraud exists. Wisdom is weighing that against the millions of families these programs keep housed and fed. Gutting section 8 to punish a few people with Mercedes hurts far more people than it stops. Knowing a fact and knowing what to do about it are different skills.

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Anonymous landtrust 12h

I don’t think you understand how difficult and agonizing the process of getting SNAP is. And I only get $25 a month to cover food.

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Anonymous landtrust 12h

Like I said previously, food banks have shortages and SNAP does not pay enough especially with how expensive healthy food options are.

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