Anonymous #1 17w

yeah lmaooo

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Anonymous #2 17w

He’s doing what???

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Anonymous OP 17w

LMAO I remember seeing that

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Anonymous #3 17w

Sheeeeit this made me laff smyle and gigal

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Anonymous #4 17w

It’s less so testing and more so just showing the proof

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Anonymous OP 17w

Very well. God, if you see it fit, let woe or grace befall OP until they see a pattern where they recognize your existence. May this moment mark the point in time when they started actively observing.

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Anonymous #4 17w

Do you have proof of his existence?

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Anonymous OP 17w

Without going into the math calculating what is known and unknown about what keeps reality from imploding, yes. I won’t bore you with the minutia. It’s better you see it with your own eyes.

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Anonymous #4 17w

If you have it; you have the chance right now to prove it and convert someone. I promise you I’ve yet to see any proof of god despite looking. If you can prove he exists right now, I will convert. Not kidding

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Anonymous OP 17w

If you’re a physics person I encourage you to look into the history of the strong and weak force, why we use them, and how they keep “order” in the universe. Especially the ratios. If you’re a liberal arts major and you prefer societal trends, you will find whether a nation formally attributes the Ten Commandments to God or not, those principals, how much the people follow them, directly mathematically correlate to national stability, peace, and prosperity. 2/2.

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Anonymous #4 17w

I 100% have. And order is a presupposition. And people thinking things then acting on them, doesn’t inherently make those things facts, more sociological behavioral patterns

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Anonymous OP 17w

1/2* now 2/2. If you just want to test why Jesus distilled the essence of living compassionately to the “Golden Rule.” Test it either in the present moment or make a memory map. I reckon every time someone has cheated on someone, if they map it out properly, they will see everything they have done to another person, has either been done back to them in a literal or metaphorical sense, they just didn’t notice at the time. There’s often a time delay so it requires paper note freq, mod, and WL.

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Anonymous #4 17w

I have a question for you

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Anonymous #4 17w

if it’s okay

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Anonymous OP 17w

Frequency, wavelength, and modulation* This also works with bloodlines cross generationally. People often wonder why something is happening to them specifically, by talking to family, you can usually trace it back two generations to something your parents or grandparents did. There is order to this universe. The most distilled guide to how to navigate what seems like chaos, is the Bible.

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Anonymous OP 17w

Of course. Ask away.

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Anonymous #4 17w

Order is a human concept. Things are consistent in the universe but that doesn’t imply there is a proper way to understand it

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Anonymous #4 17w

What objective proof within nature, reflects that the christian god created it, or had impact on its existence? Arguably nature has no bias, no dogma, and if your belief is that he made everything, that should easily be traceable in the things he made

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Anonymous OP 17w

Order exists in nature in patterns of Fibonacci retrace extensions and pi curves. Sin and Cos waves. Through these we can calculate what will be based on what current exists. Finding good historical data is difficult but when you do, it helps. There is order across time as well, likely before humanity existed. I once saw a thing when I was testing God, something like a vision of a place where I could not track patterns. No Fibonacci’s, no pi curves. Just pure horrific chaos.

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Anonymous OP 17w

Right. You’re onto something. So to test that you look for matches in religious text and concept with the known observable patterns in nature. Nature doesn’t have dogma as you put it, but it does have patterns, so let’s say if you were to have an unbiased AI or extremely curious human test each religions dogma for matches in how humans would thrive in what is seemingly the chaos of nature, they would find varying degrees of accuracy on the guidance provided by each religion.

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Anonymous #4 17w

Order is a human concept, it is not a scientific fact. Consistency is a scientific fact. Order presupposes intelligence

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Anonymous OP 17w

A religion like Islam centered largely around conquest, while it does regard Jesus, has base level programming that is not compassion. A principal plainly put to navigate reality: “Existence is hard enough, we shouldn’t make it harder on one another.” Which would be a translation of Jesus’s Golden Rule.

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Anonymous #4 17w

I have no reason to believe that the bible is true as its spiritual claims cannot be substantiated. I.E a man walking on water, the red sea splitting, etc. Using nature alone, how do you prove that he had an impact on its creation/existence?

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Anonymous OP 17w

If the strong force was not consistently 10^6 stronger than the weak force atoms would implode along with the universe. There is no explanation as to why these forces exist only that they exist. It is constant, and one of many consistent pillars reality is built upon. It is order outside of human understanding that allows us to have the hubris to think we invented order.

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Anonymous OP 17w

I don’t use nature alone to explain things. If you exist solely within nature you are limiting your ability to perceive what may exist outside of your current perception. Example being visible light compared to radio waves, gamma, etc. At any given moment there is countless information and energy moving well outside our ability to perceive it as individuals believing we solely exist in nature. Consider you exist both in your body and are a vessel for God, who exists everywhere, in all things,

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Anonymous OP 17w

Everywhere*, in all things, both inside and outside of time itself, inside and outside of nature. God exists within you as well as all around you and beyond what any of us can perceive. It’s a tall order, but if you consider your subconscious is constantly picking up on everything your conscious is not, you gain the ability to form a connection to God within you. I highly recommend you write your dreams down for this reason. Helps not just with the questions of this post, but other places in lif

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Anonymous #4 17w

It is consistent outside of human understanding, as order specifically presupposes a conclusion of intelligence .

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Anonymous #4 17w

Again, once the spiritual claims of the bible are substantiated I can use that as reference for any natural claims but if your belief is that a being made everything, it should not only exist when a book explains it. We should logically be able to see that information within our natural world. Philosophies aside, if it’s a fact, then there should be facts that point directly to that conclusion

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Anonymous OP 17w

How does order propose a conclusion of intelligence? Order just presupposes order. Being able to make sense of patterns, build things with them may presuppose intelligence. Studying things like physics, it’s no wonder Einstein, Tesla, Christopher Langen, all believe in God. Only God could be the source of construction for reality as we perceive it.

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Anonymous OP 17w

No. You’re exactly correct on this last point. Even without the existence of the Bible. If you studied the patterns found inside and outside of nature throughout time, a person or AI would come to the same conclusion, the same rules, the same guidance on how to live. It just so happens humans wrote many of these things down. They exist so we can reference them. It’s called a testament for a reason.

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Anonymous OP 17w

I personally immensely appreciate the effort people put into writing down and maintaining those texts. If I had come to the conclusion of God’s existence solely off my knowledge of how reality functions, I would have, without a doubt, gone insane.

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Anonymous #4 17w

Consistency within nature is not order within nature, who decides what is orderly? I have studied those patterns which is why I ask the question I ask, because I study this topic extensively. I do not think it’s intelligent to use the bible to cross reference potential missed info until I know the bible is true, does that make sense?

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Anonymous OP 17w

How do you define order within nature outside of seeing patterns repeat themself in a consistent manner? Genuine question.

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Anonymous OP 17w

What you’re saying makes sense. I just ask myself what the difference between what the intelligent action vs the wise action is. I have an ongoing joke with old coworkers it’s called the “intelligence community” not the “wisdom community” Just because something can be done, doesn’t mean it should be done. The pursuit of raw knowledge alone without attempting to understand the consequences of obtaining that knowledge, especially if what can be known is already found by others, (ancient, hist 1/

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Anonymous OP 17w

2/2 Found is in ancient, historic, or modern literature I can reference to test the principals in the present moment. It’s immensely more efficient to find other people who have run those tests, explain their results, and test what your God given instinct tells you to be skeptical about. The process you are utilizing to find “Truth” and wisdom is sound.

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Anonymous OP 17w

Also to shorten the answer of who decides what is orderly: I’ve found the distilled answer is mathematics. Everything has mathematical parallels. Ways of measuring things that are alike and things that are different. When you keep getting a similar mathematical reading or observation at consistent time and space intervals, the source of the emission for said pattern is ordered and can be measured remotely. Inverse square rule the bread and butter for this concept.

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Anonymous #4 17w

I don’t attribute the term order to nature, it just is. Here’s the core issue I think I’m running into with this argument you present. Nature should reflect objective truths; and so if it’s necessary for the truths to be interpreted through the eyes of holy text; you would need (you general) to substantiate the holy texts claims. Can you clarify “Distilled answer”?

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Anonymous OP 17w

Sure. There’s no lies in mathematics if you consider it to be present moment calculations. (So none of this 2 + 2 = 5 because there’s an unknown variable of growth in calculus nonsense) 2 + 2 = 4 every time you run the numbers. I’ll see if I can find a link to a video about the gap in primes, but it’s a really neat representation of how things grow in nature mathematically. As that gap between primes grows, even the void expands in a uniform manner, which illustrates order within chaos.

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Anonymous OP 17w

Can’t find the video I’m referring to, but I’ll try to elaborate with something that helped me. In science/mathematics finding the answer to one question often leads to two more questions, it becomes daunting. Instead, seeking truth and principals, we find the core truths of what makes what in what stemming from where. 2 + X = 5 X=3 If you do enough algebra finding missing variables, you reach God and find which texts were over the target, and which were made up to gain money or pussy.

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Anonymous #4 17w

If I do enough algebra I’ll reach god? So god is an equation and can be defined objectively through a mathematical process?

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Anonymous OP 17w

You essentially want to use math backwards to solve for X. Looking for principal truths rather than the next larger layer of complexity. Find the root of the patterns you see and you’ll find God. I don’t mean to ruin the surprise but God is in you. In all of us.

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Anonymous OP 17w

If you do enough algebra you will reach God, yes. If you wish to do it the long way. But if you go that route and attempt to comprehend or define God, you’ll get into matrixes, imaginary numbers, true paradoxes, things that will drive you insane. “This statement is false.” (A true paradox) Which is why I recommend examining religious texts if that happens and just asking yourself “Why would God tell people X Y and Z?”

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Anonymous OP 17w

If you had the ability to calculate patterns through time, and knew you were in all conscious beings, and knew they had a propensity to abuse one another, what rules would you give your children to live by to minimize abuse? OP you have been blessed with a tremendous intellect and resources, consider thousands of years ago people didn’t have microscopes/scientific tools when you ask yourself what rules to live by you would pass down.

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Anonymous #4 17w

You have to presuppose god exists in order for that text to be considered factual

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Anonymous OP 17w

Indeed. Just like we have to presuppose 4 exists to calculate 2 + 2.

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Anonymous OP 17w

Rather, we must “consider” it a possibility. Maybe do the math backwards God being the Alpha and the Omega, 0 and 1, the beginning and the end.

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Anonymous #4 17w

That’s a major false equivalency. You can’t logically argue that in order to come to the conclusion god is real, you have to presuppose that god is real in a book that presupposes his existence. That’s illogical. That’s a circular argument.

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Anonymous OP 17w

In order to consider if any hypothesis might be true, you have to consider it a possibility, then gather evidence.

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Anonymous #4 17w

I consider it a possibility, but that’s different than just assuming the bible is true. What proof do you have that it’s telling the truth in its spiritual claims?

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Anonymous OP 17w

Testing the methods. Each of the commandments to see what happened when I followed them or did not. The golden rule ALWAYS came back to bite me even if there was a delay in time and space. That and the personal experience of witnessing something I humbly admit was far beyond what my mind could conceive. The text I posted about seeing a place that I could not track patterns, pure chaos. Didn’t exactly have a sign anywhere saying “hell.” But closest thing words can describe would be a lake of 🔥

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Anonymous #4 17w

Testing the methods. Alright, how would you substantiate that Jesus walked on water? Do you acknowledge that someone saying something doesn’t inherently make it true?

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Anonymous OP 17w

Of definitely agree with you there. Just because someone says something certainly doesn’t make it true. I ask myself, and I mentioned a bit about coworkers who deal with liars quite a bit, what the witnesses to those things were subjected to when being interrogated. These are historical documents. One was crucified upside down, one was flayed alive, etc, all of them were willing to die horrible deaths rather than change their testimony.

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Anonymous #4 17w

Okay cool! Since we both acknowledge that information, then you agree I can’t just trust the bible just because the bible says it happened. People dying for their beliefs also don’t make them true. There are historical instances of people dying for their beliefs in Zeus. How do you prove Jesus walked on water?

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Anonymous OP 17w

Yes. And I would add that if you do find yourself examining bibles be skeptical of each copy, the books they left out I found an immense amount of truth in and solved for X “why did they leave this out?” (Some contain functional witchcraft. I don’t recommend practicing witchcraft)

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Anonymous #4 17w

I’ve done a lot of theological study. Do not worry. I’ve most likely read more versions of the bible than you have

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Anonymous #4 17w

But how do you prove Jesus walked on water, that’s just a single example, I’d like to focus on for now

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Anonymous OP 17w

How could I? Honest question? Unless I had a Time Machine there’s no way of testing that specific passage I’m aware of. The principals I could test in the Christian faith I found to be true. The base layer of programming being compassion I found to be true. All other Gods demanded sacrifices of humans. Thus, behaved as demons. Jesus was the only God who sacrificed himself for us.

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Anonymous #4 17w

Alright if you don’t know how you could, let’s just assume you can’t. How do you prove that there was a fire tornado that came down when Moses and the slaves were escaping?

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Anonymous OP 17w

I should elaborate on what I mean by functional witchcraft, it’s not like reading Harry Potter. Each concept plants a thought in your mind. The human brain is a pattern matching machine, thus, if you know specific patterns, false idols, their stories, you can hypnotize people and start a cult. That kind of witchcraft.

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Anonymous OP 17w

We can make fire tornados right now with directed energy weapons that ionize oxygen in the air then run a massive current through them. There’s satellites that can do it and even hand held modules capable of it. My dad wrote a white paper on the hand held weapons. If we can do it now, God sure as heck could have done it back then.

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Anonymous #4 17w

Sure we can recreate that, but how do you prove that happened when the bible says it did?

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Anonymous #4 17w

I’ve studied witchcraft as well as spoken and worked alongside plenty of wiccans. With all due respect this is a major mis-characterization of their belief systems

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Anonymous #4 17w

It’s not about he COULD have done it. how do you prove he DID do it?

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Anonymous OP 17w

There’s allegedly astronomers who match historic texts to dates based on where the stars were when. Eclipses are often written about. I couldn’t give you a breakdown but the method they use is cross referencing texts, carvings, etc with known events happening in the sky in those timeframes. Another good thing to be skeptical of though, my math showed many dates were altered or lied about.

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Anonymous #4 17w

Astronomy wouldn’t impact weather phenomena like fire tornados. If that’s not provable that’s fine. How would you prove that an angel of death came down to take the first born?

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Anonymous OP 17w

You don’t. Not without a Time Machine. I still find the stories useful when asking myself “why would God do that?” And the answer I came up with is, at the time humans were worshipping various deities, demons, convincing humans to do all manner of heinous things. As a lead up to trying to hand over some of the responsibility to humans, he puts them in Egypt, the greatest occult power, then shows what he’s capable of doing, absolutely obliterating any faith they may have had in false deities.

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Anonymous OP 17w

I feel for them. Tampering with dark magic, most Wiccan’s aren’t advised deals with demons demand sacrifices, and if the sacrifice isn’t provided, they become the sacrifice. Again, the only God that sacrificed himself for us, rather than demanded we continue sacrificing to him, was Jesus.

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Anonymous #4 17w

Here’s the thing, you’re acknowledging that these claims are unprovable. Because you have to assume that they’re just telling the truth that they happened That’s the exact reason I have no logical reason to believe that the bible is true in its spiritual claims, to substantiate external beliefs. Just cause the philosophies make you feel good, don’t make them objective.

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Anonymous #4 17w

Feel for them all you want; just don’t misrepresent the group. You wouldn’t want it done to you. So don’t do it to others.

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Anonymous OP 17w

The principals of reality, that Golden Rule is as provable today as it was thousands of years ago. The commandments remain the stable pattern for civilizational growth. Don’t bang other peoples wives, try to honor your parents, don’t lie, cheat, or steal, etc. Historic events of any era can’t be proven with the quality of deepfakes and fraudulent items. You can even fake carbon dating. But the principals are still true whether you choose to regard them or not.

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Anonymous #4 17w

Moral principles don’t substantiate your gods factual existence. Those rules are subjective even by christian standards. Let me ask you. Is killing wrong because God states it is?

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Anonymous OP 17w

You are in no position to be making demands of what I should and shouldn’t be doing. I’m trying to be compassionate towards a group of people, likely not your friends, who were perfectly fine with sacrificing me at one point in time. I’ve been misjudged and cursed enough that any fear of reciprocity after what’s been sent my direction is completely absent.

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Anonymous #4 17w

I’m telling you not to misrepresent a groups beliefs because it would hurt your feelings if others did that to you. I’m not “demanding” you do it. I’m reminding you that hypocrisy hurts everyone, and sympathy works both ways.

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Anonymous OP 17w

Murder is wrong. There’s plenty of killing in the Bible.

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Anonymous #4 17w

Why is murder wornh?

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Anonymous #4 17w

wrong* sorry

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Anonymous OP 17w

Recommending people don’t practice witchcraft after studying the patterns and results of executing those patterns is me being sympathetic. If your friends believe they will be excused from making deals with deities, there’s only one way of getting out of that, and given the way this conversation is going, y’all don’t seem inclined yet to be asking God to get you out of any deals made with dark powers.

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Anonymous #4 17w

It’s not a recommendation if you’re misrepresenting the practices and beliefs systems. That’s like me saying don’t become christian because they worship a God that created an evil being that drags billions to hell. That’s a gross statement because it’s a misrepresentation of the truth.

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Anonymous OP 17w

Okay, what about witchcraft am I missing?

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Anonymous #4 17w

I don’t really care to get into it at this exact moment. After the primary thing I’m more than happy to though. Why is murder wrong?

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Anonymous OP 17w

I’ve tried to answer many questions in good faith. I’m trying to approach your statement about witchcraft with curiosity rather than judgement, if I’m missing something, I would like to know what I’m missing.

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Anonymous #4 17w

Yeah and I will tell you. I promise. I just want to finish this thing first. It’s what I’m concerned about. I’m not lying to you, this isn’t dismissing your concern. I just want to focus on the main thing that started this. Why is murder wrong?

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Anonymous OP 17w

Generally an act where you let wrath possess you and convince you to take your neighbors life, thus causing a long term negative effect not only in that you killed someone without cause, but played God, left their family without a loved member, etc. Many negative consequences stem from murder both in this life and the next. (I mention the things in this life for the sake of pragmatism and trying to communicate on lines you’ve established for your current world map)

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Anonymous #4 17w

Alright that makes sense, that checks out so why is it wrong to play God?

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Anonymous OP 17w

A person who I once considered to be an extremely intelligent enemy once said “you wouldn’t throw the keys of a corvette to a baby and expect it to know how to drive.” So with that in mind, to play God and not consider only God will be dealing with the long term consequences of our actions, (we have limited lifespans) we put the responsibility of our missteps not only on God, but all our friends, our children, their children, their children’s children. Everything ripples poetically through ⏳

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Anonymous #4 17w

Okay, that’s a good analogy. So it’s wrong because it harms God in some capacity?

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Anonymous OP 17w

Right. It’s tough in situations where people are clearly possessed by some idea trying to kill you or your loved ones. Arguably they are cut off from God when they act that way. One reason the whole false idols thing gets in peoples heads and takes over their persona, there’s many ways it can happen. But yes, God is in you, and me, and everyone else. And we should do our best to not abuse one another or do extra harm because existence is hard enough. All sin is equal mathematically, but

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Anonymous OP 17w

But* in reality where time appears to be linear, something like killing someone’s parents in cold blood, is going to have a far longer negative effect on more people than something seemingly trivial like wearing mixed cloth fibers (one of the strangest sins when I tested it, turned out to have substance to the rule, organic clothing feels 🤌🤌🤌) (also a difficult one to pull off because nearly everything is some kind of mixed cloth if sold anywhere big)

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Anonymous OP 17w

I mean now that we are talking about it, I found other strange patterns no one talked about with this stuff. Like technically the 1st few commandments are the easiest to follow, the last few are the hardest. If you consider the order they were presented in, it tells a story about what each of them does throughout time when you violate them.

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Anonymous #4 17w

And why is it wrong to harm God in any capacity?

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Anonymous OP 17w

Aside from what psychedelics users often say about “we are all connected but separate” and you would just be harming yourself in a sense, consider it like harming your ultra powerful, ever watchful, great great great grandfather who chose to spend his time trying to look out for you. 1/2

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Anonymous OP 17w

There was a time when I thought I was going to be a father. Not only was my immediate family and potential future family making things harder on me to try to protect and provide for the child, but their actions were actively hurting me while I did my job. It disincentivized me to look for extra ways to protect and provide because I was dealing with the extra unnecessary suffering. God forgive me for making that comparison, not that I was playing God, but I understood better after.

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Anonymous #4 17w

So you’re hurting God because you’re hurting yourself, but why is it wrong to hurt God? What’s the actual moral justification for why it’s wrong to do that. I don’t subscribe to that idea that we’re all connected which is why. What is the biblical reason?

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Anonymous OP 17w

Oh if you’re asking in a biblical sense, I’m not aware of anything in the Bible that says “Don’t hurt God.” Which makes sense because given the vast power God wields, if things were bad enough he would just destroy us. When I provide those reasons as to why we shouldn’t, that’s coming from the heart, instinct, and experience.

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Anonymous OP 17w

Human’s hurt Jesus as bad as they did and he still forgave us. I don’t reckon we should continue testing him after that.

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Anonymous #4 17w

If God today (in this very intentionally hyperbolic world) were to say that eating pizza was morally corrupt, would you accept that?

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Anonymous OP 17w

If he were to send an angel to give me a heads up and tell me that? Yes. Funny you mention diet because when I analyzed the diet given to the Israelites by God and started attempting to follow it, not only did all joint pain go away, but I got immensely stronger. Best I can tell, the rules of that diet help people avoid parasites. “Don’t eat low crawling animals. Cook the blood out of meat. Etc.” all the animals he says to avoid only have one stomach for filtering parasites. Ex. Pigs vs Cows

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Anonymous OP 17w

“Eat sea creatures only if they have fins and scales. No shellfish” (shellfish, oysters, clams, and the like are notorious for bacteria and parasites that make humans sick” After Jesus came and knew the gentiles would join the flock, the dietary rules changed. Jesus being God can see through time, knowing different humans evolved to eat different things. But cooking the blood out of meat and insuring longevity, fasting, things of that nature, absolutely do increase longevity and mental clarity

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Anonymous OP 17w

If you find yourself inclined to do the algebraic method of finding God. Look for breaks in patterns you’re observing. A break in the pattern that would be something like “An angel just told me not to eat pizza.” Would be a large break and worthy of analysis. Friend of mine recently had a dozen eggs and 9/12 had double yolks. Significant break in the normal pattern of store bought eggs, meaning a variable in the supply chain changed. If he wanted to solve the mystery, he could do the math.

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Anonymous #4 17w

Okay, so that isn’t objective morality. That is authoritative morality. You view him as the arbiter of morality, he decides what is and isn’t okay. And since you acknowledge that, that means that in your worldview there is a being that is exempt from rights and wrongs. But if they were truly objective, it would apply universally and nobody would be able to “change the rules” so to speak

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Anonymous OP 17w

We’ll consider you’re made in the image of God. I like the glove and hand analogy. A glove is meant to contain a hand just like you are meant to contain God. You can put other things in the glove but that’s not what a glove is for. God being all knowing, in everything, is going to know what the best things are to feed you, the behaviors to cultivate and avoid. So yes in a sense it’s like the authority of a parent that says “don’t eat those berries, those are poison” “eat those berries those 1/2

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Anonymous OP 17w

2/2 those berries are medicine. You could of course figure those things out for yourself without a parent telling you, but it’s immensely less painful to trust your parents did the math and know what berries are poisonous and which aren’t. Stretch that concept across time. Some things we eat slowly kill us in the wrong doses. Some things are poison but they kill parasites (nicotine)

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Anonymous OP 17w

You of course have free will to tell your parents or God you’re not going to listen to them and do whatever you want, but then you bear the consequences of whatever those actions are. Like the time stretch concept, sometimes the fallout of those decisions doesn’t land for decades. Sometimes the fallout of those choices lands on your kids and not you.

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Anonymous #4 17w

The analogies are really good, but the point stands. It isn’t objective if he’s deciding what is and isn’t okay. It’s not very “objective” if some authority figure is the one deciding. You can claim it is, but if that authority figure is exempt from an objective moral wrong, then it’s not objective as it wouldn’t have exemptions to its moral obligation

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Anonymous OP 17w

Actually technically it’s not just you who bears the consequences of anything negative you or I do, since we share the world, in a small way, everything you do affects me, everything I do affects you, everything we do affects the whole world in little or big butterfly effects. God, like any good parent grants us grace and will still come to our aid despite deviating from the guidance given, but it’s not wise to make it any more difficult on God to help you than it has to be. Common sense.

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Anonymous OP 17w

You’re correct. It’s not objective. It’s authoritative. One would hope, arguably pray, the absolute authority of all things in what we perceive as reality would be an authority that focuses on being a compassionate guiding force, that forgives us for our errors. It is still an authority, but a forgiving one.

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Anonymous #4 17w

And authoritative morality, as it stands is subjective morality that has been given a position of power. How does God determine what’s right and wrong?

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Anonymous OP 17w

I mean God wouldn’t need to be given anything. If you’re everywhere, in all things, and exist outside of time, there’s not a thing something like that would need to be given. From a limited human perspective, the best assessment how something like that would determine what is right and wrong is knowing what patterns yield what over time. If people spend their time torturing children on top of a pyramid because they think it will make the rain god happy, that’s an extreme example of 1/2

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Anonymous #4 17w

Okay that makes sense. So things like advocating for chattel slavery, that would be something that’s considered immoral in your eyes?

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Anonymous #4 17w

2/2 a repeated pattern of behavior that will yield additional suffering for not just more children, but the families of those children, etc. That’s a behavior that’s easy to see is wrong from a common sense perspective. Nuanced things like me testing how I feel wearing cotton and linen were crazy to me at first, but make sense if you study Tesla’s resonance concepts. Since God is all knowing, he’s not just going to give us guidance on diet and clothing, but how to treat one another.

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Anonymous OP 17w

Great point. Huge eye opener studying this. I don’t mean to alarm you when I point this out, but as we live right now, even the middle class of America is currently living in conditions that violate the Torah’s rules on slavery. (They could own land, were paid, had physical protections from being beaten, debt was limited to six years) The old system would be more like indentured servitude where you’re paid and protected. We witness gross violations and they call it other stuff. “Internships.”

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Anonymous #4 17w

Alright but to answer the question, it would be immoral to advocate for that?

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Anonymous OP 17w

Extremely immoral yes. It’s interesting studying the history of slavery and indentured servitude. Nearly every society that practiced it and didn’t relinquish freedom their slaves within 6 years, or pay them, or protect them, appears to have been cursed in some way since. My family (Slavs) experienced that first hand. It was only the Amish that abided by those principals when they got to American and worked on one of their farms as indentured servants. The amish seem to be doing fine.

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Anonymous #4 17w

Great. That being said, Im going to preface I know the context. I’ve studied this peculiar subject in extensive detail. Do you know what Exodus 21:4 details?

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Anonymous OP 17w

Some of them yes. I could speculate on that verse but it would be only that, speculation.

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