Anonymous justinian 17h

No, moron. I just fundamentally understand when the math is the only thing that matters. You guys are trying to argue optics after a historic win. That is the ONLY optics that matters. Who cares what happens between now and January 2nd.

-2

Anonymous justinian 17h

Joker is reasonably intelligent and well informed, and that makes engaging with his bad takes so much harder. I could understand someone like a trumper having ass takes, it’s harder to comprehend when you see the most dense takes known to mankind come from someone you can tell is reasonably lucid and smart.

6

Anonymous justinian 17h

You wanna know why you think the way you do though? Because you only engage with the performance. Politics IS a show to you. You don’t know anything other than what you see on Tiktok because that’s the only level you care to engage with it.

-1

Anonymous ___joker__ 17h

THIS ISN’T AN OWN, YOU ARE PROVING MY POINT!!! ABSOLUTE CINEMA! No Joker, math is indeed NOT the “only thing that matters”, and yes, optics do matter an awful lot right now, in fact.

5

Anonymous justinian 17h

It’s a lot harder to engage with him when he refuses to give you anything to actually argue with and just yells insults at you

3

Anonymous ___joker__ 17h

Brother… a massive component of politics (especially in a democracy) is literally like a popularity contest with massive real world consequences. This shouldn’t be a shock to you. Yes, politicians should be talented dramatists that can put on good performances, because I want them to be charismatic enough to advance good policies like medicare for all and ending wars.

6

Anonymous ___joker__ 17h

“I think he views things purely as math” “No, moron. I understand when math is the only thing that matters” Relative

3

Anonymous justinian 17h

Bro, you’re the one projecting this whole math bit onto me. There are times when the only thing that matters IS the math. This is one of those times and you refuse to admit that. You think some standing vote of a full 215 Dems matters right now. It doesn’t when the left flank is coming after leadership barely a week after midterms. Fuck the left flank. Rat fucks who celebrated Dems winning they’ve shit on them for the past two years and turn right back around and do the same a week later.

0

Anonymous justinian 17h

So do me a favor and explain that optics to me. I watched you cry all fucking summer about voting to other lefties and they continued their same rants and dogshit talking points on Dems and you gave ZERO pushback. You wanna help your cause and talk about optics? Get your own people in line first.

0

Anonymous eviler_ascendgirl 17h

The keyword there is WHEN, illiterate fuck.

-1

Anonymous justinian 17h

Who gives a fuck about popularity WHEN THE ELECTION JUST ENDED

-2

Anonymous ___joker__ 17h

“Fuck the left flank” for what? Criticizing the party? Correctly pointing out that they’re moving rightward? Trying to prevent that?

6

Anonymous #1 17h

Crazy rewriting of history on that one, bro. This one will do waves.

0

Anonymous ___joker__ 17h

How am I rewriting history? Have the left flank not criticized the party? Has the party not moved rightward? Has the left flank not been trying to pull the party left?

3

Anonymous #1 17h

That’s the only thing they do lol. Theres a reason none of you fuckers ever get into power.

0

Anonymous ___joker__ 17h

Nothing in politics is ever pure absolute math.

3

Anonymous ___joker__ 17h

sorry I missed the part where the election results are locked in forever and the part where everyone is now immortal and the part where all future elections are cancelled and the part where people’s perception of the parties suddenly won’t have consequences for 2028

6

Anonymous ___joker__ 17h

You haven’t answered my question.

3

Anonymous eviler_ascendgirl 17h

No no no you don’t get it the only thing that matters is vote counts and nothing else, people just vote for whatever and are not influenced in their choices by anything

2

Anonymous #1 17h

Because your question is a strawman. “The party is moving rightward”. Everyone is to the right of you by your own logic, so why should I engage with that on your terms?

-1

Anonymous eviler_ascendgirl 17h

Who said that? 🤣

0

Anonymous eviler_ascendgirl 17h

Like can you fucking read? Honestly…did you even read what I wrote there? Was I right to actually say that you really are illiterate?

0

Anonymous ___joker__ 17h

Every time I read something you typed out, it’s like I’m microdosing a lobotomy

4

Anonymous eviler_ascendgirl 17h

Yeah, so you’re just obtuse then 👍 Sick level of engagement. This is why I insult you fucking losers lol

0

Anonymous ___joker__ 17h

Because I can see that, within an American context where “the left” is like Bernie Sanders, the dems have moved rightward. They’ve campaigned on border issues that were never part of their platforms. Harris ran on having “the most lethal fighting force in the world” (and, again, on strengthening the border). I can’t even tell you how many ads I saw leading up to the midterms of democrats throwing trans people under the bus to court the mythical moderate vote. How is it a strawman?

2

Anonymous #1 17h

Sanders isn’t a Dem, bud

-1

Anonymous ___joker__ 17h

I said “like Bernie Sanders” as in “someone like him” but whatever, fine. AOC, Ilhan Omar, whoever, take your pick. Point still stands.

4

Anonymous #1 17h

Which ads threw trans people “under the bus”.

-1

Anonymous ___joker__ 17h

Take your pick of any of the people caving on the “trans people in sports” wedge issue. Talarico comes to mind immediately.

3

Anonymous #1 17h

So his voting record on bills is just meaningless then 👍 Got it. Talarico, the Republican dressed as a Democrat.

0

Anonymous justinian 17h

Forever means a week later. 👍 Real good faith with that one, brother. You’re definitely an optics guy btw.

-2

Anonymous ___joker__ 17h

You asked for an example of abandoning trans people to get elected and I gave you one. Don’t get hyperfocused on it, who specifically is doing it isn’t relevant when we’re talking about the widespread phenomenon. Let’s get off this tangent and go back to the topic at hand. How have dems not moved to the right?

4

Anonymous #1 17h

Nah. We’re gonna get hyper-focused on it. You brought it up, so we’re gonna talk about. So again, you think Talarico isn’t supportive of trans rights and is a danger to trans men and women?

0

Anonymous ___joker__ 17h

How they personally feel about trans people isn’t relevant here. What is relevant is trans rights being used as a wedge issue and the party at large welcoming the tip of that wedge (trans people in sports). Do you disagree with this? If so, why?

4

Anonymous #1 17h

Personally feel? How about his voting record on trans rights? You wanna talk about that?

0

Anonymous ___joker__ 17h

I’m sure his voting record would reflect his personal feelings. He was just the person who came to mind first because his race was nationally relevant and I don’t live in a state that was electing a senator this cycle. Are you going to answer the question now or are you just going to keep screaming into the void about this stupid tangent?

6

Anonymous #1 17h

What do you mean “you’re sure his voting record would reflect his personal feelings”? You either know what he voted or you don’t. Take a position. Stop trying to run from it, you brought it up. You said I didn’t give you anything to argue, well you’ve got me here now, babe. I’ll give you 5 minutes if you’d like to go look up his state house votes.

0

Anonymous ___joker__ 16h

I. Am talking about. Campaign advertisements. The things people are saying to get elected. Not Talarico specifically. Not what he’s done in the state house. You are hyperfocusing on Talarico because I brought him up as an example of someone who made one of those ads, but you’re bringing up something that’s not relevant to the discussion. You are still not giving me things to argue with. That would require you to actually take a position instead of saying “but what about x”.

5

Anonymous #1 16h

You specifically named Talarico. You can’t use an example that is an extremely bad example and then try to walk away from it. You claimed the party moved rightward, I called you out on it, you brought trans issues as a wedge and named Talarico. Not my fault you can’t actually figure out what you’re trying to say.

0

Anonymous ___joker__ 16h

Okay. This is not difficult to understand. Here is the sequence of events. 1, I made the claim. 2, you asked for examples of the wedge issue (after trying to derail once already). 3, I gave an example OF SOMEONE WHO MADE A CAMPAIGN AD TALKING ABOUT GETTING TRANS PEOPLE OUT OF SPORTS (the wedge issue in question). 4, you derailed by hyperfocusing on the person I named as an example of someone who made a campaign ad talking about getting trans people out of sports. I am talking about what…

3

Anonymous #1 16h

…people are saying to get elected. Not what they’ve done in the state house, not what their personal view are, the things they said to get elected in the United States Midterm Election of November 2026. Do you understand?

4

Anonymous #1 16h

You’re trying to present a case that someone such as Talarico has backed away from supporting trans people aka “throwing trans people under the bus”. You presented your claim as “seeing an ad”, so find me the Talarico ad.

0

Anonymous ___joker__ 16h

That is throwing trans people under the bus. It’s called a WEDGE issue for a reason. A wedge is a tapering device that is used to create a larger opening from a small gap. But goalpost move aside, again, stop hyperfocusing. We could look at other examples, including Marcy Kaptur, Don Davis, Josh Turek, and Annie Andrews. Please respond to the claim and tell me how the democrats haven’t moved rightward.

3

Anonymous #1 16h

Again: it’s not about Talarico. He was just the first example that came to mind.

5

Anonymous #1 16h

All of those Dems have something in common. Are you smart enough to figure it out? Or do I have to tell you?

0

Anonymous #1 16h

Which of you do know what they have in common, it makes you a slimy disingenuous fuck lol

-1

Anonymous ___joker__ 16h

If I had to guess, without looking, they’re probably all in red states. I really don’t see how that would your argument, though. Do you actually think that that would attract voters toward the candidate? If I were a republican in this election, I don’t think that even completely flipping on trans people would move the needle for me, because I’d still support republican policies. Why would I vote for a democrat with one position I agree with instead of a republican with most/all of them?

1

Anonymous #1 16h

Exaaactly! Good job! They’re all red state Democrats who just won their elections!

1

Anonymous ___joker__ 16h

And do you think that flipping on trans people did anything for them? Go ahead bud, read the rest of my comment and respond to it. You can do it, I believe in you.

5

Anonymous #1 16h

You used red-state democrats intentionally to try and say the party is running rightward. That was cute, but not that smart by trying to represent “the party” as 5 recently won red states 🤣 That was intentional by you lol. A separate point, it doesn’t matter what you think/would have done, those moderate/centrist Dems just flipped red states to blue so they won despite your thoughts.

0

Anonymous ___joker__ 15h

Joker I don’t know how you don’t understand that the POINT is that we expect better from democrats. We KNOW the republicans suck. That is expected and they aren’t changing. So when the guys who are supposed to not suck do badly, they are the ones criticized, because the Democratic Party is redeemable in a way the republicans aren’t.

1

Anonymous #6 14h

You can EXPECT better from Democrats when it matters. This? This vote doesn’t matter. It was started by a Republican meant to rile up lefty dumbasses.

0

Anonymous ___joker__ 3h

If a Democratic Senator visibly shat themself in the middle of the capital after voting the right way, it would do less optical damage than missing the vote to sip cocktails or to go to an AIPAC party.

1

Anonymous justinian 2h

God forbid you actually knew that vote existed if it wasn’t for your fucking Twitter feed. Take the feign outrage somewhere else bro.

1