Anonymous #3 22h

I agree with you about the systemic conditions but my example was about how an individual person working there is responsible for his death and how their decision is immoral and will go unpunished

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Anonymous OP 21h

But you didn't explicitly say that person is responsible for his death. Calling it "not saving" someone makes the killers look more innocent than they are, and invites in the "killing vs letting die" philosophical debate in a place where it has no business being. The killing goes unpunished because nobody will call it what it is: systemized murder.

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Anonymous OP 21h

Also punishment is the wrong way of thinking about accountability and reparations. Behavioral psychologists show that punishment does NOT work to correct behavior when the underlying conditions that caused the behavior are left intact. Punishment is how we ended up with the industrial prison complex and death camps in the first place.

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Anonymous #3 21h

the guy who denied the guy meds isn’t the guy who built the whole system or passes the laws tho. the purpose of this post is just to get people to put themselves in people’s shoes. If i was trying to make a philosophical or comprehensive point about immigration, i would have done that.

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Anonymous #3 21h

I 100% agree with you, I just am trying to frame the problem in terms of how murder is going unpunished & while some people may not view it as murder, it actually is murder to purposely withhold care. My point is that the person who did that should be held accountable bc if not, it undermines the principle of justice

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Anonymous OP 21h

Maybe don't do that. The semantics of murder are not something you should be conceding. "Some people may not view it as murder" is exactly the fucking problem so stop pandering to that idea. You're enabling them, not refuting them.

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Anonymous OP 21h

And it's not just "a person who did that" it's an entire system that was slowly engineered over centuries. Individual "accountability" is a lie invented by capitalist hyperindividualism.

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Anonymous OP 21h

True accountability is collective and systemic which means we are all accountable. Refusing to allow harm to be redefined until it no longer qualifies as harm is how we hold accountability and it's all of our responsibility.

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Anonymous OP 13h

No system exists apart from its parts. A detention center is an assemblage. It's a mix of guards, intake forms, medical formularies, contractor budgets, fences, laws, and bodies, and their arrangement produces the outcomes. Nobody sits outside it as "the guy who built it." The law is only words until a guard enacts it. The guard isn't a separate moral unit next to the system. The guard is where the system actually happens. You can’t pull the two apart because they were never two.

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Anonymous OP 13h

Power is exercised, not owned. It doesn't flow down from a sovereign architect. It circulates through every relay. The "micro" decision is where macro power becomes real. This is why politics is always molecular as well as molar. Fascism doesn't only live in laws. It lives in the small, willing investments of the people who carry those laws out.

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Anonymous OP 13h

"Letting die" is how modern power kills. Modern states mostly don't kill dramatically. They "make live and let die," and they do it by sorting who gets care and who doesn't. That power now runs on codes, access, and administrative denial. A denied prescription is that logic in its purest form. So "not saving" isn't a gentler category than killing. It's the main mechanism.

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Anonymous OP 13h

Language works through "order-words" that transform how bodies are treated. They don't just describe. Calling it "not saving" versus "killing" doesn't report the situation. It assigns guilt vs innocence.

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Anonymous OP 13h

Empathy personalizes what is structural. "Imagine one person's shoes" brings everything back to individual subjects and individual feelings. Deleuze and Guattari’s Anti-Oedipus criticizes exactly this habit of shrinking social machinery down to personal drama.

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Anonymous #3 11h

Hey, I am literally a sociologist, I know!!!! I agree with you!!!! Hello????

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Anonymous #3 11h

The people who don’t understand these things need individual examples to understand the systemic nature of the problem

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Anonymous #3 11h

How on earth am i minimizing harm. Seeing someone who is suffering/dying when you have the means to save them is cruel. I disagree that the wording of this post undermines the severity.

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Anonymous #3 11h

How about you consider the fact that being so rude/shaming to people who literally agree with you that this is wrong actually just makes people more afraid to be wrong, which makes it less likely that they will ever change their minds

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