Anonymous moderatemonkey 14w

I mean, it’s true tho. Ukraine has been independent from Russia for less than 40 years, while California has been part of the US for damn near 200 years. Russia has more of a claim to Ukraine than Mexico does to any of its former territory in the US, yet no one is calling Russia’s invasion of Ukraine justified

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Anonymous OP 14w

When Conservatives had their whole anti-Ukraine arc after the drama between Trump and Zelensky when Trump was slobbering all over Putin, they sure were trying to justify Russia’s invasion…

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 14w

And by the same token, you could have also justified every single territory grab by the Nazi’s as “just taking back what rightfully belongs to Germany”

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Anonymous OP 14w

I think I see some validity to OPs point but I would argue that the situation isn’t exactly the same as arguably Ukraine (as a people) choose to leave the USSR while Mexicans were pushed out via a war. The people who live in Ukraine haven’t gone anywhere so there is no “theft” of land. Culturally the Ukrainian people have long existed as a people whose lived there for a very long time and choose to self-govern

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Anonymous #4 14w

For those curious about the Russian claims to Ukraine, this article sheds some light on Russian propaganda and lies regarding Ukraine “belonging” to Russia. https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lseih/2020/07/01/there-is-no-ukraine-fact-checking-the-kremlins-version-of-ukrainian-history/

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Anonymous OP 14w

Ukraine has been independent from the Soviet Union for 40 years, not Russia. The Soviet Union was a collection of republics who, though dominated by Russia as the largest and most powerful republic, did not “belong” to Russia. Ukraine and Russia were both republics of the USSR

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Anonymous #4 14w

34 years**

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Anonymous #4 14w

And Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire for about 150 years prior to the Soviet Union, too

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Anonymous OP 14w

And before that was Kievan Rus, and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and the Mongol Empire, and so on and so forth. We can play this game lmao

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Anonymous OP 14w

Again as stated earlier, the Ukraine was never “taken” or stolen by anyone. The people who have always lived there simply chose to govern themselves rather than be part of Russia/the USSR

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Anonymous #4 14w

I’m not justifying the war in Ukraine, just pointing out how the “stolen land”argument is pretty dumb. Every piece of land is by definition “stolen”, unless you lived in like Ethiopia or some place where humanity originated and your ancestors never left that general area

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Anonymous OP 14w

Fair enough

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Anonymous OP 14w

You’re not fully wrong but also not fully right. The concept that land can be stolen also implies the idea that land belongs to a people because their cultural group was there first which doesn’t seem exactly right either. That doesn’t change that a wrong doing in the near past affects people today. Perhaps is stupid to say it was stolen but it also isn’t untrue to say as it was taken out of conquest

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