Anonymous #1 17h

It has no affect on us in any way. World war 2 was different bc we were already allies with Britain beforehand and Japan attacked us directly. Rwanda recovered from the genocide very fast and is now a leader in sub Saharan Africa

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Anonymous OP 17h

effect* genuine question: do you care what happens to people who do not live in our country?

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Anonymous #2 17h

Obviously but it’s not our place to intervene that’s a form of colonialism

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Anonymous OP 17h

why is it not our place? We have the power to, and we have the influence to; I’d argue as a nation with our own dark history in colonialism and far worse, we should be learning from that history and trying to teach others, rather than diving head first into repeating it. It may sound silly, but as Stan Lee once said, “with great power comes great responsibility”, and I think that should ring true for us as well.

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Anonymous #2 17h

“Trying to teach others” they don’t want our help

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Anonymous OP 17h

Some Americans don’t either, but that doesn’t mean we should not try, especially if those attempts come with a slim chance of leaving the world better than it was when we came into it.

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Anonymous #2 17h

Theres women being abused here too, you realize the Spanish conquistadors or the British empire had a similar mentality of “making the world better”

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Anonymous OP 17h

hence why I said that some americans don’t want to be educated either. my friend, this is not the world it was all those centuries ago. I am not advocating for colonization, rather cooperative globalism. tbh global cooperation amongst antifascists is likely the only way we will mitigate the modern rise of fascism across the globe. the US is not the only country being accelerated into fascism, but if we’re able to secure the US, it would be a vital asset in the war against fascism across the

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Anonymous #2 17h

globe given the depth of our resources and military. and yes, this is a war. direct armed conflict with troops on the ground between allied groups of fascists vs antifascists may not have sparked yet, but we are absolutely in the beginning stages of the next world war (unless it’s preventable, but I’m uncertain on that one)

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Anonymous #2 17h

Exactly so educate those Americans then. Don’t go marching into other countries whose cultures and religions you don’t understand and tell them how to run their society.

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Anonymous OP 17h

so you don’t actually care about the conditions that other people live in, especially if they’re outside of the country? you just wanted to advocate for some sort of nationalistic isolationism?

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Anonymous OP 17h

(also, ignoring the laughable fact that you responded “exactly” as if anything I stated was supportive of your point. fascism is a global phenomenon, and defeating it requires it to be defeated globally. even if we did “educate those americans” without any attempts at external outreach or mitigation of fascism, we would just be re-infiltrated by the other regimes around the planet.

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Anonymous #2 17h

I forgot to close my parentheses…. )

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Anonymous #2 17h

U need to start seeing things from a decolonial lens

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Anonymous OP 17h

do you think isolationism is the only form of decolonization? if anything, it’s the most extreme form that inevitably causes a similar level of harm to colonization. why do you think I am advocating for cooperative globalism?

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Anonymous #2 17h

Fascism is a western concept and seen in the countries that have been colonized by the west. Retreating from the world is exactly the way to stop fascism

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Anonymous OP 17h

hell, I don’t even think isolationism is a valid method of decolonization. decolonization requires a deconstruction of colonial empires. how do you think we achieve that?

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Anonymous #2 17h

Retreating from the global empire is exactly decolonization…

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Anonymous OP 17h

lmfao you’re delusional as fuck. retreating from the world and our allies gives the fascist regime the exact type of overreaching control they seek. What you’re saying here, btw, is in no way decolonial. the only thing you’ve said along those lines is criticizing colonization. what you advocate for does not assist in the goal of decolonization.

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Anonymous #2 17h

No??? When Lenin overthrew the oppressive tsar Russia retreated from all its imperial wars and started focusing on its people

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Anonymous OP 17h

no, it’s not, deconstructing the global empire in favor of a non-colonial and cooperative alliance between all nations, is decolonization. How fucking delusional are you? you think America isolating itself from the world is decolonial? dipshit, we could isolate ourselves all we want, and we’d always be the product of colonization and genocide. decolonization in America is landback, no ifs ands or buts. you’re either intentionally misrepresenting these terms in your own favor, or you genuinely

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Anonymous #2 17h

don’t know what you’re talking about. either way, close the app and go research decolonization.

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Anonymous #2 17h

You clearly don’t understand our imperialism around the world IS the fascist regime if you care about stopping that this is exactly how

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Anonymous OP 17h

that was the USSR, not Russia, two entirely separate countries. Russia was formed after the USSR crumbled. and the USSR was still colonial, what are you talking about?

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Anonymous OP 17h

dipshit I KNOW. hence why I’m advocating against imperialism, in favor of cooperative globalism. how many times do I need to explain that simple statement to you? imperialism ≠ globalism. why tf do you think I brought up how decolonization in America requires land back, and nothing less? we have always been fascistic, we’re currently accelerating headfirst into unfettered fascism.

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Anonymous OP 17h

Are you forgetting that Trotsky existed and he wanted to liberate the rest of the world? To eliminate suffering in your own country but refusing to eliminate suffering abroad is to allow suffering to occur.

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Anonymous #1 17h

omg THANK YOU. you worded it so much better than I could’ve.

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Anonymous #2 17h

what’s that old saying “none of us are free until we’re all free”? it’s that type of stuff.

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Anonymous #2 17h

Globalism led by who?? Who makes the rules in your dream globalist order??

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Anonymous #1 17h

And what happened to Trotsky? Lenin saw he was wrong

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Anonymous OP 16h

well, considering I’m also a communist, ideally the working class. in my absolute dream world, we’d be combating fascism in every nation, simultaneously, while we internationally uniting the working class; with the goal of diminishing existing nation borders and empowering + overhauling (or even better, scrap and rebuild) an organization like the United Nations, wherein people all across the globe directly vote for candidates to work within the UN/whatever.

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Anonymous #2 16h

since we’re talking dream worlds, I’d hope we overhauled every nation and the United Nations, this way most fundamental governance happens at an international level (so, things regarding power generation, anthropogenic climate change, resource allocation, etc etc) are all performed internationally; and every citizen of every “nation” (assuming we don’t forgo the concept altogether) is freely capable of going to any other “nation” at any time. when I say cooperative globalism, I’m not talking

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Anonymous #2 16h

some bullshit within a capitalist structure. I’m talking about massive global shifts in nearly every facet of life. start truly working together as a species, to advance all of us further.

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Anonymous #2 16h

Global shifts in nearly every facet of life has it occurred to you that wanting a shift in nearly every facet in the life of someone in a different country can be considered colonialism itself. Again it’s a white savior trope. What will you do about cultural practices that you consider oppressive for example

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Anonymous #2 16h

Do you not see how it is problematic to overhaul every nation in the world to the way you see fit

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Anonymous #2 16h

The real solution is simple, make an impact to stop fascism in your own country and let the rest of the world do what they want

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Anonymous OP 15h

cultural practices, naturally, should overwhelmingly be preserved and respected. don’t assume that im advocating for the infringement of others’ ability to practice and express their culture. in this regard, i agree with the premise proposed by the philosopher James Rachels, wherein he states that “ethics remains a matter of following reason, and it will still be objectively true that some things are good for people, and other things are bad for people.” he says this while discussing the

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Anonymous #2 15h

ability to respect the various cultures around the world, while also simultaneously retaining the ability to criticize behaviors that are bad; attempting to define a “culture-neutral” standard. he essentially claims this standard is one in which ethicality is determined by the impact of the action, whether it’s “beneficial or harmful to the people who are affected by it” (btw, quotations are from chapter 11 in the book he and Stuart Rachels coauthored, “Problems from Philosophy” 5th ed)

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Anonymous OP 15h

did you forget how you asked about my dream scenario? aka the best possible thing I could hope for. Yeah I’d much rather global systemic overhaul than the world delve into fascism full force

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Anonymous #3 15h

dk why this didnt go under the right comment

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