Anonymous #1 6d

These statistics are more pronounced & problematic in less diverse areas.

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Anonymous OP 6d

Sure they are ;)

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Anonymous #1 6d

They are. You clearly are not native to the south. Small towns are hit the worst in education, funding, resources, and literally anything else you could think of. I’ve lived in real life villages, multiple in fact, so I’m actually qualified to talk about the experience of these small towns that don’t even have a dot on the map.

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Anonymous #1 6d

I’m not even making the argument that a bunch of white people = bad I’m saying we’re better when we’re around each other 🤷🏽‍♂️that’s a universal truth

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Anonymous OP 6d

Huh. Thought Louisiana and Mississippi would be higher tbh.

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Anonymous dataseeker 6d

They were in a massive uptrend as this census came around

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Anonymous #3 6d

“Fastest improving” is an immediate L, +

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Anonymous #3 6d

Here’s the 2024 stats btw https://scholaroo.com/report/most-educated-states-us/

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Anonymous #4 6d

The places with the strictest gun laws have the least gun violence, for example Hawai’i has incredibly strict gun laws and some of the least violence. Most assume this is because Hawai’i is affluent (incorrect assumption) however when adjusted for cost of living evidence shows Hawai’i to be top 5 poorest states. Despite this it has very little gun violence distinctly in cities like Honolulu, moron.

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Anonymous #3 6d

Also since when is Mississippi the entire south..? We’re talking about the region as a whole and for defense you pull out a most improved stat? Thats embarrassing

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Anonymous OP 6d

This is educational attainment, it says very little about the quality of the education system.

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Anonymous OP 6d

I counter your cherry picked data with both Chicago and Baltimore,

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Anonymous #3 6d

Why would a country with even close to equal education quality see such different college admissions, why do specifically southern states have the hardest time sending people anywhere out of the south for school? If the quality is the same the college & degree rates should be relative to population but they’re just not.

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Anonymous #4 5d

Chicago & Baltimore are not states, immediate false equivalence. Illinois for example didn’t ban assault weapons until 2023, so claiming that they’ve had strict gun laws for the majority of history is disingenuous. Maryland does in fact have some pretty strict laws, this have Baltimore a distinct outlier or exception thus truly proving the rule. If this policy was completely ineffective, Annapolis would see relative gun issues, as would DC, etc. You claimed I was cherry picking with my example?

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Anonymous OP 5d

*has made Baltimore not have; text max

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Anonymous OP 5d

I never said states, I specifically said cities in my original comment. Your argument is invalid due to moved goalposts

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Anonymous #4 5d

My argument is invalid or you lack a rebuttal and are trying to now find a way out of the argument? I actually addressed cities in my initial response (Honolulu is a city is not an entire island). I then addressed BOTH cities you mentioned and gave context to the state laws (which would determine the laws in those cities anyway), moron.

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Anonymous OP 5d

“Chicago and Baltimore are not states, immediate false equivalence”

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Anonymous #4 5d

Calling something (accurately) a false equivalence (I assumed you would argue based on the states laws given that those decide the city laws, shouldn’t have assumed your intelligence) does not mean that the entire point you’re attempting to make is invalid. That’s what my argument is for, unlike you I argue to understand. Not to win. Do you have a rebuttal?

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Anonymous OP 5d

Also I never claimed that Illinois had an assault weapon ban “for the majority of history” or even made a claim that assault weapons accounted for a majority of gun related deaths (they dont)

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Anonymous #4 5d

I didn’t say you claimed that. I made the point to further underscore the idea that considering Chicago as a city with strict gun laws only acknowledges ~3 years of time. You are also strawmanning now, I also didn’t claim that assault weapons accounted for many deaths relatively, nor did I insinuate that you did. You still have yet to offer my points rebuttal, do you have one?

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Anonymous OP 5d

You did directly claim that I said that, because you said “so claiming that they’ve had strict gun laws for the majority of history is disingenuous”

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Anonymous #4 5d

? That means I believe having 0 restrictions on assault weapons are light policy, not that I mean they’re responsible for majority of deaths? The quote you mention says nothing about death and comments directly on them not having strict gun laws, are you ok?

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Anonymous OP 5d

If assault weapons were a majority of weapon related deaths I could see that as being true, but we both have acknowledged that they aren’t

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Anonymous #4 5d

Their responsibility of death has nothing to do with whether or not the laws are strict. We agree assault weapons not responsible for most deaths, therefore banning them is strict, having SOME policy is expected, but no policy is light. True or false?

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Anonymous OP 5d

If handguns are responsible for a majority of crimes, and they are restricted. Then it would seem to be evident that strict gun laws dont mean less gun crimes, correct?

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Anonymous #4 5d

Also you have still yet to offer me a rebuttal about the points I made in reference to the state standards of Maryland & Hawai’i alike.

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Anonymous #4 5d

Nope. Law is not preemptive of obedience, so to act like the laws are solely responsible for the violence rates in these areas is also disingenuous. To return to my example of Hawai’i, (which has no rebuttal now) still has gun violence. Like the rest of the country the greatest prediction of crime is poverty & previous oppression.

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Anonymous #4 5d

Strict gun laws = less gun violence assuming that the place adopting those laws has already set the foundation to get rid of if not eradicate the majority of reason for violence, which universally is poverty. So of course, slapping a gun law (like they did in 2023 in Chicago) without working on the community first does nothing, but this also is an anti conservative idea.

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Anonymous OP 5d

What do you have to say about this statistic? “Though Hawaiʻi has a low rate of gun violence, the rate of gun deaths has increased 84% from 2014 to 2023 in Hawai’i, compared to a 33% increase nationwide. No other state has had a sharper rise.”

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Anonymous #4 5d

Hawai’i’s housing crisis, food crisis, unemployment crisis, & environmental disaster (Lahaina fires & flooding) and general economic struggles have made tragedies involving guns far more common. This would also prove what I said..? As the community and or economy suffer crime increases.

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Anonymous OP 5d

Was it not already top 5 poorest states? They are outperforming states that are worse off financially so that cant be the reason

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Anonymous #4 5d

That’s illogical, being top 5 poorest states doesn’t mean that the state economy can’t get worse..? As the economy trends down rather than up or at least in a stable state (which poor states can maintain, great example is Ohio, incredibly consistent until tariff issues) crime will increase. Why can this not be true, as you have said?

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Anonymous OP 5d

Crime will and does increase as the economy gets worse, but gun violence is getting disproportionately worse in Hawaii related to other states

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Anonymous #4 5d

Hawai’i has disproportionate and unique issues compared to other states? The economy is on a far smaller scale and therefore will feel the effects of federal issues harder than most places. This is like saying the housing crisis being worse in Hawai’i than other states means it can’t be a housing crisis.

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Anonymous #4 5d

Housing crisis Unemployment crisis Food crisis Displacement crisis Red Hill Droughts Health disparities etc. These exist around the country but of course effect Hawai’i differently, it’s a radically different state.

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Anonymous OP 5d

Hawaii is 41st in gdp and middle of the pack for gdp per capita btw

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Anonymous #4 5d

Also despite the increased *rate* of violence, Hawaii is still 2nd lowest for gun deaths in the US at 4.4 deaths per 100,000 people.

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Anonymous #4 5d

Adjust for cost of living, I distinctly mentioned that multiple times.

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Anonymous #4 5d

The GDP of Hawai’i is also not indicative of money that stays in the state.

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Anonymous #4 5d

Also 41st in GDP is horrendous. Confused on how this is at all a rebuttal

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Anonymous OP 5d

Is is cost of living or is it easily destabilized because its economy is “on a far smaller scale”

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Anonymous OP 5d

Far smaller scale economy yet almost not in the bottom 10?

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Anonymous #4 5d

Both and for the same reason. Hawai’i is overpopulated, which naturally drives up real estate prices. The island’s (extremely limited) land has also always been considered high value by the USE. The USE created laws during the colonization of Hawai’i that made it virtually impossible for working class (minorities) to ever achieve being able to buy land back. As of now the only remedy (which is subpar in the opinion of many scholars) are limited heartlands.

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Anonymous #4 5d

2 things can be true🤦🏽‍♂️ with that being said you have to realize that the economy of Hawai’i is drained out of it. Hence why despite having incredibly rich residents the resources and tax almost never change.

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Anonymous #4 5d

These rich residents also are increasingly small part of the island as the vast majority stay in Hawai’i part time. The majority population of residents in Hawai’i are also part time, most notably military presence and studentship. These people are an extreme skew on the economic realities and struggles of Hawai’i.

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Anonymous #4 5d

Does “almost not” bottom 10 signify anything relevant..? It’s still bottom 10🤦🏽‍♂️bro you’re just saying anything now huh.. bro said “but it’s almost not bottom 10” get serious. That argument is so ridiculous it’s almost disrespectful of your own intellect. It’s “almost not bottom 10” because of hard work and effort of actual permanent residents.

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Anonymous #5 5d

But like again to be clear I agree with you!

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Anonymous #5 5d

The midwest has incredibly similar problems, but I haven’t lived there nor done enough research to have a proper conversation on the subject. I hate conservatism everywhere but southern culture has a special place in my heart, it’s where my family’s from. So while I understand your being cross with me I am far too passionate about the land to not discuss it in such fervor.

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Anonymous OP 5d

I’m not even cross with you dw! But as somebody from the south (notably the racist/conservative part of my family are pretty much all from the Midwest) who has lived outside of the region and seen problems to the same extent and at times worse elsewhere, I think it’s a real problem that these issues are relegated to the south rather than seen as what they really are: a cancer that is widespread and deep rooted across the nation.

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Anonymous #5 5d

“Southern = conservative and conservative = southern” becomes a kind of thought terminating cliche that keeps a lot of people from outside the region from interrogating their own communities’ problems or conservative leanings.

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Anonymous #5 5d

I can agree with most of this but to act like it’s people outside of the south associating people from the south with conservatism more than it is people in the south associating themselves with conservatism is disingenuous

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Anonymous OP 5d

Oh don’t get it twisted, a lot of it is internalized! But in my experience again having lived outside the South for many many years, it’s absolutely true that there’s a lot of people outside the south who have never lived there who are very confidently incorrect about their assumptions that the whole place is more conservative than where they’re from.

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Anonymous #5 5d

Also to be clear, my problem isn’t criticizing the South or saying it has problems or conservatism. My issue is that it gets framed as a “southern thing.” The book South to America by Imani Perry is brilliant and I think does a much better job of getting across the nuances I’m trying to explain if you’re ever interested in reading

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Anonymous #5 5d

Fair fair, but I do think that when anyone who’s outside of the midwest comments on the south being more conservative they’re probably not lying. Also thanks for the book rec.

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Anonymous OP 5d

Np! But just a note it’s not just the Midwest. My friend works in LI at what’s basically a sundown town. Like carding people to enter public parks and no black residents sundown town. And I’ve heard some really heinous things in NY, esp upstate. NY was almost half for Trump last time. I don’t think they’re lying, because they believe what they say. I just think it’s much more complicated than people give credit for

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Anonymous OP 5d

Honolulu. Hell of a example! Guess what there isn’t a lot of in Honolulu! 😂

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Anonymous #1 5d

Bowie MD is an equally valid example and is majority African American.

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