Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Getting downvoted for asking for an example 🫩

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

This is obviously talking about capitalism as a whole as a mode of organization and production, not capitalism in individual countries

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Anonymous .forest 4w

Take it up with Ernest Mandel's introduction to volume III of Karl Marx's "Capital"

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Anonymous OP 4w

Ok if you don’t have an example just say that then lol.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Thats not the type of collapse the chart is referring to though my guy, it’s discussing the future worldwide collapse of capitalism as a mode of economic development

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Anonymous OP 4w

Oh ok so you have an example of the worldwide collapse?

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Anonymous OP 4w

Yeah exactly so just say you don’t have an example. It’s fine just say that.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

The word “future” implies “hasn’t happened yet” for people with basic literacy

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Anonymous OP 4w

I don’t see why this can’t happen in an individual country. That’s a toy example of the world

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Anonymous #4 4w

Obviously capitalist countries can collapse, that’s just not what this chart is about lmao

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Anonymous OP 4w

And “hasn’t happened” implies you don’t have an example. Which is fine, I would just say that people have been saying the collapse of capitalism has been coming since Marx to my understanding and it hasn’t happened. Maybe you guys are making bad predictions.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Capital was published in 1867, it hasn't been long at all in the grand scheme of things. And no shit I don't have an example of "world capitalism collapsing" because otherwise I currently wouldn't be arguing with illiteracy's strongest warrior

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Anonymous canesfan 4w

This is the introduction so I don’t think anyone was claiming the diagram “proves” anything lmao

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

lol when capitalism does collapse and the communists take over they set up an authoritarian state, which itself collapses. The chart is total nonsense

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Anonymous OP 4w

That’s fine that has no bearing on people’s prediction of capitalism immediately collapsing being wrong. Capitalism would collapse with particular countries first not a total collapse under a Marxist view from my understanding but pop off.

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Anonymous OP 4w

What I’m trying to say is that the predictions laid out in the diagram have serious empirical issues

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Anonymous canesfan 4w

I would expect the wealth of the ruling class to stagnate in this country actually during and after a pandemic and while under an incompetent administration. Also show the chart for top 1%

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Anonymous OP 4w

It’s the same for the time period although in the last quarter of 2025 it does jump. Above the previous high https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WFRBST01134

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Anonymous #4 4w

I’d argue Nazism / Fascism is a decent one. Liberals consider it an aberration that could never happen again (but it is literally right now), but it directly arose from the inevitable problems of capitalism.

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Anonymous #7 4w

I’m not sure who thinks it couldn’t happen again. But the argument appears to be that given a state of impending collapse of a capitalist system, there are two mutually exclusive paths: decay of civilization and socialism. But who is to say that these can’t happen simultaneously?

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