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If you're against automation because it "kills jobs," then logically you'd also have to roll back all the automation we already use. Should we ban flushing toilets, and go back to hiring people to scoop the shit out just to create jobs?
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Anonymous 1w

Sort of a false equivalency if youre speaking about ai; it has the potential to almost erase work as we know it. Pretty different from calculators and steam shovels

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Anonymous 1w

You do realize that up until this point most of the weight of responsibility and work was on the human? With AI, every action of a job can be reduced to a prompt, and eventually AI will use itself. Everything up until now has been human complementary, now it will exclude humans from decision-making and work. Not to mention that the Industrial Revolution made no threat to human expression.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1w

“As we know it” is the key phrase. The industrial revolution did the exact same thing. Modern work doesn’t resemble anything like what existed in the 18th century.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1w

Using a drill to mine coal instead of a pickaxe is not the same as AI, you do realize a human was still needed to run the machinery of the Industrial Revolution. We’re talking about something that can replace the human and the equipment.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1w

Work changed but the fabric of society is similar today, people spend their time going to work. They had to operate the steam shovels and calculators. People operate machines in factories and drive taxis instead of horse drawn buggies. There’s no such dynamic here, many of the developments we’re looking at have no place for the human laborer, if we’re to believe that the ai hype will come to pass anyway.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1w

Also we have to think about the exponential nature of ai too. Your calculator never had a risk of becoming smarter and making more calculators and ultimately becoming unknowably powerful and strange. This is just a different type of thing

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 1w

I think the only think comparable between AI and the Individual Rev. is the fact that companies will exploit new technologies to hurt workers for profit.(Children working in mines and shoe factories and dangerous work conditions because tech hasn’t been properly safeguarded yet.)

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1w

To be fair they said the same thing about almost every advancement in technology

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 1w

Yeah but people always make comparisons to things they’ve known, doesn’t mean it’s valid. Steam shovels and calculators don’t have the ability to become something unknowable and uncontrollable, they are what they are and their impact is somewhat predictable. This is just a different type of technology

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1w

Yeah but “Ai” doesn’t have the capacity to become unknowable or uncontrollable either. Its not truly ai they just call it that to drive sales

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 1w

It’s more so that AI can perform the processes that humans perform on other machinery, like programming or repairing. We can already produce things with autonomous machinery, which already took some jobs, but now there really is nothing an AI can’t do. It’s used our data and everything we know, so now we know just as much if not less. We will become aesthetic before we know it.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 1w

I get what you are saying, but this is quite literally the talking points when we first integrated computers into the workforce. There are a plethora of jobs that computers or ai cannot replace people in. And there will always be a need for human hands to repair/maintain/diagnose

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 1w

Well ok yeah but I think that’s more semantics. I’m not saying the McDonald’s drive through ai bot is gonna run wild tomorrow but writ large machine learning as a technology is growing quickly and soon someone will be designing systems that are truly extraordinary and powerful. And we have the Infrastructure for that new breed of machine learning to be highly scalable and impactful

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 1w

Jobs like what? What can an AI not “learn” to do over time?

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 1w

Ai can for sure be used to create schematics for example, but you wont see it replacing a water heater in a home. Or replacing bathroom tile

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 1w

If robotics go crazy we could see it. More distantly but the path isn’t unreasonable to consider

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1w

There isn’t a profit insensitive for that, and with no profit incentive there’s no drive

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 1w

Wym? It’s the same profit incentive as what led car manufacturers to replace human laborers in their factories. Once it’s cheaper than human labor there’s an incentive. It’s still pretty far off today but if technology continues to advance there’s no reason to think that wouldn’t be the case eventually

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