Anonymous #1 12w

basic biology disagrees with u buddy

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Anonymous #1 12w

why don’t we call female animals women then?

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 12w

because female humans are women, and female animals are female

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Anonymous #3 12w

right because gender only exists for humans and animals don’t have socially constructed gender roles

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 12w

Same reason we don’t call female humans lionesses or cows

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 12w

They have gender roles called breeding. Just like we do. And there are inherent differences biologically between men and women, and male and female animals

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Anonymous #1 12w

we don’t call female humans lionesses because they aren’t lions. we do call female humans female because they’re female, the same way we call female lions female because they’re female. because they have XX chromosomes and have female reproductive organs. not because they put on a dress 💀

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Anonymous #3 12w

animals do not have gender roles 😭 be so fucking serious they have an evolutionary instinct to breed with the opposite sex because it produces offspring, not because they’re male and female

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 12w

Okay but why don’t we call them cows

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Anonymous #1 12w

because they aren’t cattle lmao

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 12w

they have evolutionary instict to breed with the opposite gender. Yes, because even they understand that functional survival requires gender roles.

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Anonymous #1 12w

like you understand a cow and a human are different species? female is universal across species, that’s why it’s used for every species.

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 12w

So gender is universal. And in humans. Congrats, you’ve finally reached the point.

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Anonymous #3 12w

female is sex you dunce

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Anonymous #3 12w

no because sexual reproduction fosters greater genetic diversity and improves the gene pool. you realize sexual reproduction is literally an evolutionary trait right? it has nothing to do with “gender roles” 😭

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 12w

Animals naturally abide by their gender roles without any “societal pressure”. Gender roles are natural and occur due to their biological sex.

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Anonymous #3 12w

this is the problem. yall are trying to give animals human traits. animals do not have gender because they do not have socially constructed civilizations that would require gender based roles to divide up labor. i’m speaking from a purely scientific viewpoint as someone who is pursuing a degree in Biology and has been pursuing this degree for the past 3 years.

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 12w

You think we have gender roles to divide labor? LMAOOOOO

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Anonymous #1 12w

gender literally does not exist outside of a social context so once again, what you’re explaining is the evolution of sexual reproduction because it fosters greater genetic diversity.

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Anonymous #3 12w

The scientific viewpoint would say women give birth, and therefore, have a different gender roles then men

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Anonymous #3 12w

yes, we literally did. why were women in ancient civilizations usually tasked with rearing the children while men hunted? because they had to divide up the labor if they wanted to survive.

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Anonymous #3 12w

literally you just have no idea what you’re talking about

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 12w

The same reason we don’t call female animals women is because they’re not human. Same reason we don’t call female humans cows 🥳

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 12w

Right, and they did that based on what their genetics told them was best. Men hunted because they have a stronger physique - scientifically

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Anonymous #3 12w

You keep using the term gender role and I don't think you know what it means. It has nothing to do with biology.

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Anonymous #3 12w

the scientific viewpoint is gender is not something that exists physiologically or biologically. we use the word SEX to refer to PHYSICAL reproductive organs. biologists don’t study gender because it is socially constructed and cannot be measured on a physical scale. if you don’t believe me, a quick google search can help you since this is the accepted consensus.

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Anonymous #3 12w

so when animals have females do the tasks we associate with males, like hunting, while the males stay back, then what is that

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Anonymous #2 12w

wait until they find out about the transgender lions 😭

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 12w

Yes they do. When was the last time you saw a female lion leading a pride?

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Anonymous #6 12w

isnt that... the norm?

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Anonymous #6 12w

literally most of the time??? 😭 who leads the hunt buddy

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Anonymous #2 12w

The fuck? No?????? Dude there’s a reason the movie is “lion king” not “lion queen”😂 female lions don’t lead prides

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Anonymous #6 12w

bud i beg you to look things up before you yap like the dunce you are

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 12w

The lionesses with naturally elevated testosterone levels? That’s not transgender. They didn’t actively choose to take on male traits because they “felt male” 😭🙏🏼

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Anonymous #1 12w

youre just mixing and mashing two different conversation topics now

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Anonymous #6 12w

i never thought id see a mf be misogynistic about LIONS because of an ANIMATED KIDS MOVIE FROM THE 80s BE SO REAL 😭

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Anonymous #6 12w

google is free and i somehow cant pay you to use it to not be an idioy

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 12w

90’s. How does one be mysoginistic about lions 🦁? Do you think if a little lioness grew up with support and empowerment she could shatter the glass ceiling put in place by the feline-patriarchy?

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Anonymous #6 12w

it was a joke put your spear away

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Anonymous #6 12w

either way if this isn’t bait, please educate yourself 😭

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 12w

Sure, as soon as you can admit that animal gender roles and norms are a thing in nature

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Anonymous #6 12w

okay so it isn’t bait and you’re just actually this dense, well you win buddy. your argument using the Lion King as a source for your claims is literally indestructible and i have no choice but to concede to your amazing logic.

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Anonymous #6 12w

They absolutely are not

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Anonymous #5 12w

Okay. Then tell me when the last time you saw a lioness leading a pride of lions was

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Anonymous #6 12w

every pride ever bro 😭

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Anonymous #6 12w

the male lion exists solely for breeding and fighting off other males who try to breed with his females. they do NOTHING lmao.

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Anonymous #6 12w

Sex-typical behaviors are not the same as gender roles and are incredibly variable across species

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 12w

So the MALE lions don’t do anything and the female lions do? Sounds like gender roles….

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Anonymous #6 12w

is this not what i said? they protect from other male lions who want to come in and breed with their females and kill their cubs to protect their own bloodline? it isn’t “leading” especially when it’s the females leading and coordinating the hunts and rearing cubs.

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 12w

Okay so they don’t lead (not true but I’ll go with it) what YOU are saying is that the animals behave in specific ways scoring to their sex. Which means that lions have gender roles in nature.

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Anonymous #6 12w

oh my fucking GOD. evolutionary social traits within species of animals is inherently instinctual and biological, and therefore cannot be defined as a gender role.

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 12w

So then wtf is a gender role if not the roles that members of certain genders fulfill for their group??

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Anonymous #5 12w

That definition cannot apply to animals in nature. It’s self fulfilling. Congratulations there are no gender roles in nature by this definition BECAUSE THERE LITERALLY CANT BE

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Anonymous #6 12w

"what is a gender role?" something that is absent in the animal kingdom............... the animals do not have "certain genders" with certain expectations that come along with those genders, because they have inherent/instinctual traits because of their sex

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Anonymous #6 12w

im so confused man youre saying there are no gender roles in nature now?

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Anonymous #6 12w

Yes that's the point holy shit

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Anonymous #2 12w

So animals do certain things based on their sex… so what’s the difference between a sex role and a gender role

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Anonymous #5 12w

Your point is that you have no point.

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Anonymous #6 12w

the point: gender is socially constructed - animals dont have society, dont have social constructs like genders, dont have gender roles. sex and gender are not the same.

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Anonymous #6 12w

Do you understand the difference between biological traits and societal norms?

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Anonymous #5 12w

Yes. What is the difference between the way an animal acts naturally in its social group, and the way humans act naturally in their social group? What is the difference between a female lion performing a different job than a male lion, and a female human performing a different job than a male human?

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Anonymous #6 12w

Sex-typical behaviors evolved by natural selection to maximize reproductive success. Gender roles are not biologically based and are largely a product of one's society and culture.

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Anonymous #6 12w

because these roles for animals serve a purpose that increases their chances of survival for both them, and their offspring. does a woman HAVE to stay at home and fulfill domestic duties in order to survive? no. women can work a job (a previous gendered social norm was the idea that women couldn’t work, couldn’t vote, couldn’t handle their own money, etc) and continue to survive and ensure the survival of her kids. that’s the difference.

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 12w

You went into specifics at the end, but okay; Principally the difference is survival necessity yes? So then if our survival is not dependent on women staying home or women having jobs, by what metric are we determining which of those things is right or wrong?

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Anonymous #6 12w

yes i was giving an example. we aren’t determining if it’s right or wrong. there’s nothing wrong with a woman who wants to only fulfill domestic duties. just like there isn’t anything wrong with a woman who doesn’t want to do that. it isn’t about “right and wrong” anyway. its just objective fact that animals do not have gender roles and humans do. we weren’t determining whether gender roles vs. sexual roles were inherently good or bad, we were explaining the distinction between them.

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 12w

Okay, I would agree with you by that definition, that there aren’t gender roles in nature. But I think the term is useless. The purpose of evolutionary gender roles was survival necessity, it stands to reason that gender roles would evolve in a society where survival is not a concern. These social roles would evolve from the survival roles, and adapt the traits each sex had developed for survival to serve a new purpose. You’re assuming we evolved differently to survive but the same in society

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Anonymous #3 12w

If u think breeding is a gender role ur sadly mistaken…

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Anonymous #3 12w

U realize that a lot of animals have homosexual relationships and prefer homosexual relationships…right?

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 12w

And you know it’s not the standard right?

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Anonymous #6 12w

So what

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Anonymous #5 12w

So it’s a divergence??? It’s not the fucking normal standard everything else is consistent with. Why the fuck are we talking about homosexuality now? I never said homosexuality didn’t exist in nature. Sexual orientation doesn’t have a fucking thing to do with gender roles in nature or human society

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Anonymous #6 12w

It’s actually the norm in a lot of animal species. Koalas for example prefer to live in lesbian societies. Penguins also choose to live in lesbian and even gay relationships and will adopt and raise chicks💀

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 12w

If it was the norm they would go extinct😂

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 12w

Unless there is some crazy scissoring that gets one of them pregnant, I’m pretty sure that’s not sustainable.

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Anonymous #6 12w

Yet koalas prefer to live in lesbian societies 💀 sure they’ll mate with a male, but when it comes to intimacy and forming bonds koalas are lesbian dude

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Anonymous #6 12w

There’s an entire species of lizard where there’s no males what so ever and they’re all lesbian…I can tell yall don’t know shit about zoology to💀

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 12w

Okay then it’s sex for pleasure. What’s your point? Are you suggesting humans should embrase hedonistic ideals? Are you suggesting we’re all gay but closeted? Or is this a useless point.

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Anonymous #6 12w

I’m showing u that what yall deem as “not normal” or “goes against evolution” can be found in many other species. Animals, do not have gendered roles as per my examples, the act of breeding isn’t gendered because 1.non human animals don’t have gender and 2.the act of breeding to produce offspring is evolutionary as it keeps a species going. Not because they’re attracted to the opposite sex like ur trying to state💀

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