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Anonymous 5w

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of economics. 'Profit' does not necessarily refer to money. It includes any value received. They expect that their labor will return value in the form of crops.

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I absolutely fucking love coin collecting and ended up going down the rabbit hole of currency origins. It’s true that in prototype currency, for a very long time it wasn’t seen as we know it today. There’s actually a lack of evidence that bartering led to currency as a centralized medium of exchange. Bartering wasn’t a widespread practice, usually reserved for friendly relationships or settling disputes between states/tribes because both parties need a mutual want for the other’s goods.

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Anonymous 5w

In many cases, they were slaves or serfs. In the others, they were forced to provide a portion of their produce to the nobility so they could feed the soldiers who would be deployed against them when they starting asking for rights. Sedentary agricultural societies almost always extreme amounts of class oppression

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Anonymous 5w

Subsistence

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Anonymous 5w

Fun fact, their profit was jugs of beer

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 5w

Because why tf would a farmer want arrows for hunting. The accepted theory of proto-currency is that it began as a matter of social status. On some Micronesian islands (specifically Guam and Palau) the practice survived until relatively recently. They used huge fucking circular rocks called Rai stones (pictured) that oftentimes weren’t even moved and used as a mostly honor-based system. More Rai stones meant higher social status, meaning more village trust and better marriage

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 5w

The “status-based” currency was possibly even prohibited in commercial use. Anyway, the first currency in western civilization ended up being crops funnily enough. This is only because farmers couldn’t pay for goods immediately and crops became a form of credit and debt (bc crops take time to grow). Eventually, ancient Mesopotamia would give farmers a clay token in exchange for grain deposits, and fixed quantities of barley became the first measure of account.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 5w

Little side note: The oldest known texts in the world are clay accounting tablets of barley deposits. Even when silver was introduced to economies, it was used in tandem with grain. Grain was used to calculate values, labor time, land value, and to make payments while silver was used to pay taxes and trade long-distance (between cities or nations)

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5w

Money of account. Their payment for their time was in the form crops. If they traded with others, they had money of exchange (real currency). Those were only tied together in western civilization because temples financed most foreign exchange so they gave a fixed exchange rate between grain and silver, leading to capitalism. Indigenous Americans would’ve eventually recreated it without western intervention, as the Aztecs already used copper axe blades and cocoa beans

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5w

Profit is the surplus value produced by workers and appropriated by their bosses under capitalism. Without money, how do you quantify value? Without capitalism, who is producing commodities that are then sold?

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5w

1. Value is technically never give a dollar value in economics whereas price is. 2. What?

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