Anonymous younglutheran 17w

Great let me ask then. Why is it immoral to worship other deities besides the christian one?

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Anonymous #3 17w

i literally only said facts and commented on the obscurity of wanting to have objective beauty standards.

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Anonymous OP 17w

You made the claim that you could prove that “Objective morality does not exist in the Christian worldview.” I want you to do just that since it’s so easy.

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Anonymous younglutheran 17w

I am, me asking the questions is so I know you’re physically capable of understanding what I’m about to say. Don’t be dense. It’s not cute. Engage honestly, I am. If God today were to claim (in this hyperbolic situation) that eating pizza was an objectively immoral action, would you accept that as true?

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Anonymous OP 17w

Your question is nonsensical to the Christian God. God doesn’t change in the Christian worldview, he is infinite and never changes. If eating pizza were moral, then God changes his mind on it, then that’s not a Christian idea of God.

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Anonymous younglutheran 17w

I didn’t ask if you thought it was nonsensical. I asked if he today were to do this, would you accept that as true. It’s really simple. I won’t ask another question after this, I just want this answered before I continue. I’ll literally move on the second you do.

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Anonymous OP 17w

If your answer is dependent upon this question then I don’t want to mislead you. The question you pose isn’t consistent with the Christian idea of God. I would be willing to say that things like unjustified murder is objectively bad because God has decreed so if that works as an answer. But things that once moral, can’t change to being immoral.

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Anonymous younglutheran 17w

It isn’t. Okay thank you that actually does answer. “God has decreed it” that sets him as an authority figure of morality. He is deciding what is and isn’t moral. That is by definition authoritative morality. We see this being true in other cases as well. Objective rights or wrongs would apply universally. Let’s say for example it’s immoral to drown babies when they’ve committed no wrong. God would be subject to having committed an immoral act. But you don’t think so, that’s not obejctive

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Anonymous younglutheran 17w

And it’s actually really hard to then say there’s an objective standard once you point out that God seemingly isn’t subject to this “universally objective” standard that apparently doesn’t change regardless of who does it.

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Anonymous OP 17w

It seems you misunderstand the Christian viewpoint. God neither submits to a higher moral standard nor creates them arbitrarily. He IS the moral standard. He is the source of truth, beauty and yes, morality. This is based on his unchanging nature.

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Anonymous younglutheran 17w

If he is the moral standard, that is also not objective, as it would apply universally and if he’s exempt from immoral acts, then the standard that does exist, is not objective. You acknowledged that he decrees immoral and moral decisions. The fact that you accept him as stating moral norms as true, is another example

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Anonymous OP 17w

My use of “because God decreed it”is an appeal to the highest authority which all Christians should do. He’s not exempt from any immoral acts because He can’t commit any, He can’t go against his very nature. You’re arguing as if God submits to morality when he wants, or that He decrees things when he feels like it. What else do I mean by God is unchanging? He is morality, and He is unchanging. And this is why the Christian worldview believes in objective morality.

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Anonymous younglutheran 17w

If he can’t commit any immoral act then if would be wrong to do X he wouldn’t be subject to that standard. Which makes it non-objective. If there is an objective standard of what is and isn’t okay, then he is subjected to that standard. If he IS the standard, then that’s authoritative by definition.

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Anonymous younglutheran 17w

If he is decreeing morality, that’s authoritative if he isn’t subjective to objective standards, then that’s not objective. If he is the standard, then that’s authoritative All point to it not being objective. Even if you claim it. The bible states God cannot do anything immoral, which means he is not held to the same standard we are because we can, we sometimes just choose not to.

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Anonymous OP 17w

subject to objective*

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Anonymous OP 17w

No, assume God is A. The moral standard and B. Unchanging C. and Operates under his nature then it logically goes that D. God cannot do wrong. Therefore E. Objective morality exists because it’s grounded in God’s two natures (A and B). In other words: objective morality exists in the Christian worldview because Christianity assumes both A and B.

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Anonymous OP 17w

Okay but why did you feel the need to post about it in the politics community, why not the Christianity community or another religious community? Seems like you knew your post would upset some people so you made it here so you wouldn’t get downvoted to hell.

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Anonymous #3 17w

I didn’t feel like it was appropriate when there were posts begging others to pray for loved ones who had just passed away

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Anonymous younglutheran 17w

I’m not going to lie. I could not follow with the A-E phrasing. Can you rephrase that bit?

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Anonymous OP 17w

So you chose the politics community???

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Anonymous #3 17w

Yeah; the timeline is literally only people discussing different viewpoints and having different opinions. Not people being vulnerable about their loved ones dying and wanting others to wish them well

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Anonymous OP 17w

The US politics community is about…US politics and tends to have less favorable views on religion. This post has nothing to do with politics. If your reasoning is because you didn’t feel like it would be appropriate to post about it in the most appropriate channel or even in the comment second of that post maybe you shouldn’t have made it, because in both scenarios you come off as look like a jerk trying to start something and this is coming from someone who isn’t even religious

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Anonymous #3 17w

I don’t care how you view it. I gave you my reason. If that’s not sufficient for you then stop looking, it won’t stop me from posting.

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Anonymous OP 17w

Okay, will do, enjoy being a jerk

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Anonymous #3 17w

Enjoy leaving me alone!

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Anonymous OP 17w

Yeah that’s fine, I’m trying to format it to show deductive reasoning but Yik yak isn’t the best place for it. Premise 1. God is the moral standard. Premise 2. God is unchanging. Premise 3. God operates under his own nature. These premises are based on scripture, aka an authority that all Christians adhere to. Based on both premises, it logically follows that God cannot do wrong. Why? Since God is the moral standard (measurement by right and wrong) and God is unchanging (possessing an immutable)

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Anonymous younglutheran 17w

Nature) and he abides by said nature, he cannot do wrong. Therefore, Christians have objective morality based on Gods characteristics. If you want you can also plug this into a LLM and check if it logically fits.

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Anonymous younglutheran 17w

Okay, so God IS the standard. That means it can’t possibly be objective. Because objective is defined as without feeling, and it would be logically impossible for a being to implement opinions on moral responses, without having feeling of why it would be wrong or right. Does God decide what is and isn’t okay?

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Anonymous younglutheran 17w

Even if he wasn’t actually decreeing it verbally, which he does do plenty of times in the bible. His existence acts as a standard, which means he doesn’t adhere to it, since he IS it.

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