Anonymous #7 6w

It’s not murder. Not considered a person until it’s first breath out of the womb plus abortions add some wayyyy before that unless something happened.

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Anonymous #8 6w

So you’d rather someone be forced to raise a kid despite not wanting to? That’s not gonna end well at all

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Anonymous #10 6w

It’s killing an innocent human life so yes it is murder

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Anonymous #11 6w

"That shit ain't a human unless the mother preemptively decided to carry it to full term", are you seriously saying that they're only a human if the mother decides they are? Also a parasite is by definition a different species from the host.

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Anonymous #10 6w

Better than the kid being killed also you can put them up for adoption

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Anonymous #7 6w

That is not how murder is defined

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Anonymous #1 6w

Sorry, it’s the premediatated* killing of an innocent human life. Hope that clears things up

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Anonymous #7 6w

Still incorrect. It is the premeditated, UNLAWFUL killing of another human. Under your definition, lawful self defense and pulling the plug are both murder.

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Anonymous #1 6w

Well, maybe not self defense necessarily. But my point still stands. So long as an abortion is done lawfully, it objectively cannot be murder.

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Anonymous #1 6w

Right, it’s unlawful because the baby is innocent

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Anonymous #7 6w

And growing, and has a right to life. Pulling the plug on someone who is brain dead is clearly different than a developing person in the womb who is being killed for no reason other than because the mom doesn’t want it

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Anonymous #7 6w

Legally, abortion is not murder. Murder has an actual definition in every state’s criminal code: the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought. Abortion doesn’t meet that definition because the law explicitly separates abortion from homicide statutes. You don’t have to like it, but legally that’s the reality.

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Anonymous #7 6w

You can’t just say “it is murder because it’s the unlawful killing of an innocent life” when the entire argument falls apart at the word unlawful. If something is specifically regulated and permitted under the law, it is, by definition, not unlawful. You can believe it’s morally wrong if you want, but you don’t get to rewrite the legal code because you’re emotional.

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Anonymous OP 6w

Abortion literally is unlawful and considered murder and is outright illegal in many states because of the scientific consensus that life beings at conception. The majority of states have restrictions for abortion because at a certain point you have to acknowledge that it’s murder. getting an abortion is objectively killing a living, growing human, which is malicious

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Anonymous #7 6w

Legally, no state treats abortion as “murder” when it’s performed within the bounds of that state’s abortion laws. Murder is a very specific legal term: it’s the unlawful killing of a person. And under U.S. law, “person” means someone who has been born alive. That definition is embedded in federal and state statutes, homicide laws, and decades of case law.

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Anonymous #7 6w

Now, some states politically call abortion murder, and some have introduced bills trying to classify it as homicide, but those bills have either failed, been blocked, or weren’t enacted. A handful of states have trigger laws or fetal personhood language, but even then, their actual criminal codes do not prosecute the pregnant person for murder when obtaining an abortion. What they “consider” in rhetoric is not the same as what exists in law.

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Anonymous OP 6w

It is treated as a murder (felony charge) in the states where it’s illegal because it is considered unlawful to kill your unborn baby

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Anonymous #7 6w

Read that first sentence again but reaaaaaaal carefully this time!

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Anonymous OP 6w

In the states where it is illegal, you cannot get an elective abortion and it is in fact treated as a murder. Good try!

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Anonymous #7 6w

Honey, I literally stated that in my comment. This isn’t a gotcha moment…

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Anonymous OP 6w

So we can all agree that it is treated as a murder. Legally, judicially, lol. Whose argument fell apart again

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Anonymous #8 6w

No, I’m saying it’s a human after it passes a certain time mark, whether or not the mother chooses to carry the fetus to that point is her decision. And no, a parasite by definition is not a different species. A parasite is an organism that requires a host to survive, typically causing harm to the host and providing nothing in return. While plenty of parasites attack different species, same species parasites exist. That doesn’t mean “it’s the same species so it can’t be parasitic”

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Anonymous #7 6w

Where are your sources to provide support in this claim, anything ending in .com or .org doesn’t count, both can be set up and swayed by biased donors

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Anonymous #11 6w

Aren’t you the same person who acknowledged that it’s a double homicide to kill a pregnant woman? Look this information up yourself

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Anonymous #7 6w

You can’t claim abortion is “legally treated as murder” when every state has different abortion laws. Something can’t be “murder” in the legal sense if the definition changes from state to state, and the penalties, procedures, and exemptions are all completely different. That alone destroys your point.

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Anonymous #7 6w

And even beyond the states, federally and nationally, abortion has never been classified as murder and it never will be, because murder has a fixed legal definition, the unlawful killing of a person. Under U.S. (the ENTIRE country) law, across federal statutes, Supreme Court decisions, and state criminal codes, a “person” means someone born alive. That’s why homicide statutes don’t apply to abortion, and why even the strictest states write explicit exemptions into their laws.

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Anonymous OP 6w

Dude it quite literally is treated as murder. Just bc tim walz doesn’t think it’s murder and let’s a woman kill her baby up until any point of pregnancy doesn’t change that sry

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Anonymous #7 6w

State laws vary, but none legally treat abortion as murder. Some states restrict abortion or have fetal homicide laws, but all explicitly exempt abortions performed with the pregnant person’s consent. That means even where a state is restrictive, the law does not classify abortion as homicide. Political leaders’ positions do not define legality.

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Anonymous #7 6w

Abortion is legally protected and is not classified as murder anywhere in the U.S. Saying otherwise ignores the actual text of the law, judicial precedent, and statutory exemptions.

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Anonymous #7 6w

Abortion bans create separate crimes. States that ban abortion usually classify it as a criminal offense like illegal abortion or performing an unlawful medical procedure, not as homicide or murder. Penalties vary, but the statutes explicitly do not label abortion as “murder” for legal purposes.

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Anonymous #7 6w

I think what you’re referring to with double homicide is in the case of killing a mother and, as a result, her unborn fetus. It’s just to pave the way for a more severe sentence because you can only serve so much time per charge, and helps the victim’s family get a little more justice. Also, homicide ≠ murder. Homicide is simply the killing of human by another human.

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