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why are the two sides of abortion debates called pro choice and pro life? isn’t the debate between pro choice and anti choice?
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Anonymous 1d

Every movement picks the name that flatters it, so "pro-life" and "pro-choice" are both branding. The actual dispute is when a fetus becomes a person with rights, and no experiment can answer that. It's a values question dressed up as a factual one, so it was never a real binary.

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Anonymous 1d

Might as well call the two sides the anti-life and the pro-life

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1d

Because the anti choice crowd realized that pro life is a lot more marketable

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

My b just meant that to be a comment

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1d

Tbh I don’t even think it’s about that, at its core. It’s about if a woman/girl should have her currently existing life valued over that which is not yet developed or capable of independent defense. The unborn are very easy to advocate for. They ask nothing of their advocates and by the time they can, they are no longer in that group (the unborn). It’s about whether a woman has a right to her own body. “It’s not her body” is still an argument about whether or not she has a right to it.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 1d

Agreed, and that's kind of my point. The personhood question can't be settled, so what actually gets enforced is control over women's bodies. That's old. Engels traced it to private property: before DNA tests, controlling women's sexuality was the only way to guarantee paternity for inheritance. Read that way, the unborn matter to the system less as people than as heirs and future labor.

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