Anonymous #1 16w

He ran a business in real estate and construction, and he was president for 4 years hope that helps bud

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Anonymous #2 16w

I would

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Anonymous OP 16w

He also had roughly 16 failed businesses ranging from steak to airlines to colleges

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Anonymous #1 16w

I don’t think you know how business ventures work but usually the people that Try the most lose the most, so yeah it makes sense that he has a few failed businesses when hes trying out everything. I also forgot to mention hes got hotels and golf courses all around the world. He used to be known globally as the image of success and even called the embodiment of the American dream by a younger Obama

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Anonymous OP 16w

it's a fair point that trying a lot increases the chance of failure however trump’s track record isn’t just about entrepreneurial risk; it’s also filled with lawsuits, bankruptcies, and accusations of fraud, especially with things like trump university. success isn’t just volume; it’s also ethics and sustainability.

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Anonymous #2 16w

as for Obama: yes, he did once reference trump’s success as a cultural figure in the 80s/90s. mostly before trump entered politics. since then, Obama’s views have changed dramatically. he's been openly critical of trump's leadership, calling his presidency a threat to democracy and accusing him of spreading misinformation and stoking division. so Obama definitely doesn’t see trump as the embodiment of the american dream anymore

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Anonymous #2 16w

Again the more popular you become the more people wanna take you down. We can’t tell what his intentions are with things like Trump University, but I believe he set out with good intentions and an easy way to make a profit (they aren’t mutually exclusive). Obama changed Trump didn’t, in 2008 Obama was calling for a secure boarder, and limited immigration, obviously hamming it up for the cameras because in private they actually seem quite friendly.

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Anonymous OP 16w

yes, public figures attract criticism, but not all criticism is equal. when someone like Trump faces hundreds of lawsuits, multiple bankruptcies, and serious fraud accusations (with trump university even shut down and forced to pay a $25 million settlement), we’re not just talking about haters or jealousy. we're talking about legal accountability and a consistent pattern of exploiting people, not just “misunderstood intentions.”

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Anonymous #2 16w

you say trump may have started trump university with good intentions and a profit motive — but good intentions don’t excuse knowingly misleading people. courts ruled that the program was fraudulent, and thousands of students were left with nothing of value. that's not success with backlash, that’s predatory business.

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Anonymous OP 16w

yes, politicians evolve, but that’s not hypocrisy, it’s a response to changing information. the context of immigration in 2008 was different than in 2016 or now. what matters more is that Obama’s policies were shaped through democratic institutions, not by demonizing groups or undermining the system. trump, hasn’t just “stayed the same”. his rhetoric has become more extreme and his actions more authoritarian. that's not consistency, it’s a refusal to grow or take responsibility.

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Anonymous #2 16w

and regarding their personal friendliness, cordial photos or past politeness don’t override the public record. Obama has been unambiguous: he sees trump's leadership as dangerous.

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Anonymous #2 16w

Im not readin allat buddy, learn how to condense your arguments. His rhetoric has literally been the same since the 80’s other countries are ripping us off and we need to stop letting them, he said that on Oprahs show. He hasn’t become Authoritarian just because he uses realistic language when talking about the invasion of our country that the Democrats allowed in the past few years. And again you can’t call something predatory just because it failed

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Anonymous OP 16w

lmao relax, bro! didn’t realize needed to provide a TL;DR for critical thinking. not my fault your brain tapped out!!! if trump’s been repeating the same shit since the ’80s, maybe that’s the issue! recycling the same “they’re ripping us off” schtick for 40 years doesn’t make it profound (it makes it lazy) the world’s changed, his rhetoric hasn’t (just gotten more violent)

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Anonymous OP 16w

no, using inflammatory language like “invasion” to describe immigration isn’t just “realistic” its fearmongering. also, i never said failure equals predatory. i said the behavior was predatory. scamming working people and small donors with auto-recurring charges isn’t just a bad business model, it’s just shady as fuck. it's not failure. that's intent.

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Anonymous OP 16w

btw the more you read the more you learn! you should try it some time, your arguments could use it

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Anonymous #2 16w

Not saying you do, just that you’re writing books and it’d be considerate to cut out the unnecessary bits. First its he isn’t consistent then it’s “he’s shilling the same slop he was 40 years ago” fun fact, he wasn’t President in the 80’s the 90’s or the 00’s. The world didn’t change because people were still ripping us off, TDA gang members took over apartment complexes in Colorado. It’s an invasion. Bill Clinton even said had the US done it’s job properly some lives would’ve been saved.

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Anonymous #2 16w

But back to the original topic. Yes Donald Trump is a successful businessman, and he obviously has worked in his lifetime.

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Anonymous OP 16w

see if you actually read my argument you wouldn’t have had to type all that. i said he hasn’t stayed the same, his rhetoric has become more extreme. you said he’s been saying the same shit since the 80s. i said IF (IF IF IF) he’s been repeating that shit for forty years maybe that’s the issue. he wasn’t president but that’s the time period you brought up. it’s not an invasion, you just sound scared. back to the original topic, he is not a successful businessman man.

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Anonymous #2 16w

You said he wasn’t consistent because his rhetoric has changed, I told you he’s saying the same stuff he was saying in the 80s and you flippantly said “well if thats true then thats the problems the same schtick for 40 years” so which is it. Is he consistent in his rhetoric, or has he changed over the years you cant have both, it is an invasion because of what I said with the gang members, and the drugs they’re bringing in, and the women they’re raping and killing. How many business do you own?

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Anonymous OP 16w

again, the “IF he’s been saying the same stuff, MAYBE that’s the problem” comment was a response to your view of “his views are consistent”. i personally believe that have gotten more extreme and his actions more authoritarian. i can have an opinion and respond with hypothetical’s to your unchanging opinion, they’re not mutually exclusive. two, you’re the only one who has been flippant, i tried to have a serious conversation but you were unable to finish reading it bc it was too long for you.

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Anonymous OP 16w

personally, i don’t see it as an invasion when undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in taxes last year

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Anonymous #2 16w

I clearly read your paragraphs and you still don’t understand it’s not IF he’s been saying the same things he HAS been, the inconsistency is when you say he has changed I showed you where he hasn’t and you go “oh well if he changed than maybe its his fault” he’s the problem of what? You never even said what problem he’s contributing to also Illegal immigrants cost at least 150 billion, and again some of them have raped, murdered and brought drugs into our cities and taking over apartments

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Anonymous #2 16w

And again, regardless of what you think, Trump has made billions of dollars, has a successful hotel business, golf courses, and has run two successful campaigns for President.

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Anonymous OP 16w

him changing his rhetoric is a matter of opinion not inconsistency. we’ll never agree on that. but i didn’t say “if he changed maybe it’s his fault” & i didn’t say he was the problem. i said maybe that’s the issue if he’s not changing (per your view) bc the world is. to keep my argument short, here’s an article highlighting the link between immigration vs naturalized citizens & violent crimes from 1870-2020 (hint undocumented immigrants are not more likely to commit violent crimes)

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Anonymous #2 16w

https://www.aeaweb.org/research/chart/incarceration-immigrants-us-born

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Anonymous OP 16w

and again, regardless of what you think, trump has also lost millions of dollars, had many failed businesses, ran an unsuccessful campaign for president (then spent four years crying about it), is currently active in over a dozen lawsuits, and he also has 34 felonies.

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Anonymous #2 16w

You said and I quote “if Trumps been repeating the same shit the ‘80s, maybe thats the issue” keep playing semantics all you want buts its what you fucking said, you also agreed that Increased amount of attempts leads to an increased amount of failures, you can’t say he isn’t successful if he made BILLIONS and only lost millions, he’s STILL rich, and yeah he spent 4 years not being President after losing, you’ve spent your entire life not as President. And he won again. Pretty successful.

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Anonymous OP 16w

it’s not semantics??? you quoted me correctly i said THAT’S the issue, not HE’S the issue. didn’t mean to upset you that much brother!!! i can say whatever i want, it’s MY opinion ???? i do not see him as a successful person. i’m glad that you do! good for you! i do not think he is! i’ve also spent my entire life without bankrupting people, being sued, or acquiring a felony!

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Anonymous #2 16w

Okay you’re clearly (maybe not intentionally) playing semantics, you said “thats the issue” what is? You have still yet to clarify what you meant by that and for the last time it not a matter of opinion that he has been saying the same things for decades, that is why you are wrong. It is a fact that he has been consistent in most of his rhetoric. He has felonies sure but it was clearly politically motivated due to the fact that he was sentenced to nothing after he won

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Anonymous #2 16w

Regardless becoming a businessman, then a billionaire, then world famous, then president is just by facto successful, it’s not even something you can question because you don’t like him. And the original argument was that it was the “first time he worked in his life” but doing all of that is so obviously “work” there’s literally no way you can say it isn’t.

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Anonymous OP 16w

in the words of an incredibly poor debater “i’m not reading allat buddy, learn how to condense your argument” but the difference is between me & that person is, i’m actually not gonna read it. good luck brother

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Anonymous OP 16w

He didn’t become a billionaire he was born one. His father gave him a shit ton of money none of it was made himself

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Anonymous #2 16w

I literally read your paragraphs I said that already.

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Anonymous #1 16w

He was not born a billionaire. His father gave him at most 400 million which yes is a “shit ton of money” but he grew that to billions. You’re wrong.

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Anonymous OP 16w

After failing 20 fucking business and evading multiple bankruptcies by destroying the lives of thousands. shut the fuck up and stop sucking his cock he would kill toy for a buck

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Anonymous #1 16w

You’re literally wrong, “destroying the lives of thousands” he employs thousands of people all across the world, he literally just IS successful be butt hurt about it all you want its the truth, anyone that has been elected president is a successful person

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Anonymous OP 16w

He has destroyed thousands of lives. He overworks and underpays his workers but yay let’s praise him for it! Woohoo!!

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Anonymous #1 16w

The average earnings of his workers is 19/hour and just saying “he’s destroyed thousands of lives” isn’t proof or evidence of that claim.

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