Anonymous #1 11w

His family was MAGA. So it still fits

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Anonymous #2 11w

Oh he was hardcore maga, fox news had to censor his shirt because of the pro-Trump design.

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Anonymous #2 11w

Calling this event a politically motivated attack is ridiculous. What #1 said is probably right

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Anonymous OP 11w

Was he really wearing a maga shirt when he conducted the attack

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Anonymous #3 11w

I never said it was politically motivated, the implication is that the normalization of hateful and violent rhetoric within the modern Republican Party has directly lead to an increase in senseless violence, especially in children and teens raised within those sycophantic circles.

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Anonymous #3 11w

Not sure about during the attack, but the picture that was shown on other outlets was censored by Fox. If I remember correctly it was the “fight” shirt from the “assassination attempt”

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Anonymous OP 11w

Violence like this happens from every side of the political spectrum, the failed assassination on Trump also killed a fire fighter. I’m not seeing anything online saying that this guy is a raging maga, only that his parents are rumored to be maga. Ridiculous that that’s one of the first things mentioned on these news articles.

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Anonymous #3 11w

Have you been paying attention at all? Did you read my comment fully? I said that these individuals, raised in these circles, are significantly more prone to violence. The shooter at the almost certainly staged assassination was a deep red maga who was isolated and ostracized for his views. The MN terrorist, hardcore maga. Singular acts occur on both sides, sure supposedly. This is not an isolated incident though. This is a pattern spread across demographics with one major link. MAGA.

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Anonymous OP 11w

I didn’t reject your point, I just wanted to point out that violence stems from all over the board

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Anonymous #3 11w

Political violence comes overwhelmingly from the far-right to the point that the FBI had to put a warning out about it a few years ago. Sick of people both sides-ing this when there’s actual data disproving that

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Anonymous #4 11w

Oh no I agree, I know that the right is significantly more violent

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Anonymous #4 11w

My whole point to what OP is saying is: While I understand their hypothesis and I can totally agree with children becoming violent because of their parents. Their claim that this guy made this attack simply because he was MAGA with no evidence behind their claim.

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Anonymous #3 11w

- is far fetched

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Anonymous #3 11w

Except that wasn’t my claim. My claim is that these attacks would not be so widespread if this were not Trump’s America, a claim you seem to be in complete agreement with.

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Anonymous OP 11w

I don’t really think so, I think these types of attacks would still be around. I honestly think there would be far more violence in America if we didn’t have Trump, and that’s solely due to the heightened security that has been placed at the border as of this year.

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Anonymous #3 11w

Do you actually think there are or were even hundreds of criminal migrants entering our country?

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Anonymous #3 11w

The Trump administration has proven less than 1000 criminals, and has begun revoking citizenship and permanent residency, raiding jobs, then shipping in new migrants to replace the labor and start all over. Trump quite literally said he wants to “put migrant workers under full control of their owners.”

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Anonymous OP 11w

Hundreds? Out of the almost 3 million every year? Yeah… I’m not against immigration, I want people to come here and pursue a good life. I just want there to be security between myself and acts like this.

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Anonymous OP 11w

I don’t believe the typical maga take on immigration. I don’t think all of them are criminals. You have me weong

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Anonymous #3 11w

Oh you poor soul. If that were the case, they’d be able to prove that instead of deporting thousands, with independent investigators only finding a couple dozen minor criminal infractions?

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Anonymous #3 11w

Bestie migrants commit crime at way lower rates than citizens. Idk if you’re racist or just deeply misinformed but people coming to the us are far more likely to be fleeing the cartels than in them.

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Anonymous OP 11w

Dude I literally watch videos on cartels, there are criminals that cross. Not a lot, but they exist.

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Anonymous #4 11w

Fr, if you were in a cartel you’d stay as far away from the U.S. as possible, that’s why they use mules who are barely associated or being threatened.

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Anonymous OP 11w

My girlfriend’s family are immigrants from the south, they are maga supporters. The type of stories that her dad tells is bizarre. I just want people vetted and have security at the border to ensure no criminality is going on

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Anonymous #4 11w

Y’all are getting me so wrong… I didn’t say all migrants are criminals. I just want protection between us and cartels. I don’t agree with deporting people without due process whatsoever. I don’t agree with turning everyone away. I wish the Democratic Party would put security down because that’s truly all I want

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Anonymous #3 11w

Mostly this is telling me you have a misinformed idea of how border processing works both now and historically

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Anonymous #4 11w

I really don’t think so man, I watch countless of individual news journalists go down and interview cartel leaders. I know how they move people across the border, I know how a lot of these cartels move. The point is that we need enforcement officials present in order to enforce that system

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Anonymous #3 11w

Like there was never not security?? People do get screened??? Dems have also been reactionary and cruel on immigration because they’re scared of being accused of open borders, which is one reason we haven’t had them for like 200 years.

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Anonymous #3 11w

Yes and where are the cartel leaders they’re interviewing?? Not here!!! Because they’re not the people who need to come!! There’s no rational reason for them to do that and a few criminals coming in doesn’t justify any of this

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Anonymous #4 11w

How do you explain taking down sections of the wall and selling them then? How do you explain democrats trying to stop Trump from deploying troops to the border? Is that them trying to protect it? It isn’t.

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Anonymous #3 11w

Because troops to the border is both a waste of money and an implicit threat to one of our greatest allies and the wall doesn’t work and also costs money to upkeep. I literally study US Immigration history in a professional setting. We have been hostile to immigrants, documented and not, since the 90s and arguably since the mid 20s there are no open borders

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Anonymous #4 11w

There needs to be enforcement man, I know we’ve mistreated them countless of times. Mexico isn’t gonna do shit about troops being on the ground at our border. It’s a common thing around the world to see countries secure their borders with troops, but all of the sudden it’s wrong when we do it

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Anonymous #3 11w

Idk what to tell u because there has never not been enforcement. But refugees don’t come because they’re scared want to, they come because they have to, and domestic militarization isn’t going to stop that

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Anonymous #4 11w

I know there’s never been enforcement but why should’ve I voted for a party that deconstructs the wall and refuses to put down more enforcement

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Anonymous #4 11w

My border views are not on immigration they’re based upon the cartels

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Anonymous #3 11w

And the cartels primarily get drugs into the U.S. through legal checkpoints using US citizens. You have incorrect information.

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Anonymous OP 11w

I literally know that. I told you I’ve watched videos on how they move. Yall are just convinced that I’m stupid for some reason

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Anonymous #3 11w

It’s not ridiculous. It’s trump’s america.

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Anonymous #3 11w

Then you would understand that increased enforcement doesn’t lead to decreased trafficking, it just makes the victims of these crimes scared to approach authorities and seek help.

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Anonymous OP 11w

Ok you’re right I’m wrong

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