Anonymous #2 1d

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Anonymous #2 1d

i don’t understand the hate for hasan piker (a political streamer) can you please explain it to me i believe this video is taken out of context, he’s talking about israel here and now both parties would support israel. i obviously don’t agree harris and trump were the exact same and i’m a progressive

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Anonymous #1 19h

1. Harris and Trump are not the same on I/p. 2.if you watch the full context of the clip he talks about how “of course the republicans and democrats are different” domestically. Then he goes on to talk about how democrats strengthen white nationalist border policies after republicans are out of office. He’s just saying they’re different kinds of evil. 3. He openly admitted and said he lies about his political stances to trick liberals.

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Anonymous #1 19h

His entire gimmick is being anti American and running cover for terrorist organizations/ authoritarian countries like Russia, Venezuela, China etc.

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Anonymous #1 9h

He’s the largest left wing streamer so it makes sense that people hate him. The corporate & moderate dems along with the republicans have been running non stop attacks against him for the last two weeks. He’s kinda like Israel but opposite. Outside of the progressive wing of the dems, the rest of the dems & republicans both agree we need to support Israel & they both agree Hasan is bad & a danger. He brings people from both parties together. So unless you’re really progressive hating him makes

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Anonymous #4 9h

Perfect sense

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Anonymous #4 9h

True why did the guy who said it’s better to rape white girls from a “utilitarian perspective” get so much hate. It must be bc he’s left wing poor guy 🥺.

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Anonymous #4 9h

He also justified the annexation and invasion of Crimea, among other boot licking comments. To pretend he’s hated bc he’s just left wing is dumb.

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Anonymous blue__wave 9h

If I remember correctly that wasn’t the quote but wasn’t the context of that conservative college that had the goal of not having to deal with “woke me too stuff” & he’s was saying that any college with that in mind it’s better if it happens to the people who would purposely go to that school. Although idk I could be wrong I think it’s stupid either way but I’m probably miss remembering. Would you mind giving me the stream date & time so I can educate myself & watch what you’re referencing in

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Anonymous #4 9h

Idk how that context would make that statement any better. Him saying it’s better to rape people if they’re anti woke lmao. I don’t know the stream date I think I can look at a person holistically with their comment and say that was probably a bad thing to say.

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Anonymous #4 9h

Also idk what context would make that statement better.

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Anonymous #4 8h

Please & thank you. As for the 2014 annexation of crimea yeah he does support it. His reasoning was that it was popular with the citizens of Crimea along with Russia was already apart of the territory. Now maybe the polling that said it was popular with the citizens was a sham & I think it’s okay to say you disagree popular or not with the citizens or say you don’t believe the results where fair. Idk my opinion on that

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Anonymous #4 8h

Even if that were true is irrelevant. If a part of Canada wanted to join the U.S. should the U.S. be able to invade and annex that region? You’re just justifying global conflict.

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Anonymous blue__wave 8h

I also said it was stupid. But figured I’m miss remembering so that’s why I asked for context & the full clip. Although I do think there’s a difference between someone saying they’re anti woke & then someone saying they’re going to a school that wants to avoid having to deal with rape. Although obviously still bad & fucked. It was an edgy joke but not every edgy joke is good & be supported. So again if I remember correctly yeah it’s stupid but idk it was a few years ago so maybe I’m wrong &

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Anonymous #4 8h

Can’t say unless I see the full thing

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Anonymous #4 8h

Sure you can say it’s an edgy joke but again to act like people dislike him bc he’s just left wing is dumb.

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Anonymous blue__wave 8h

That’s why I said I think it’s okay to disagree. If we had a base in Canada & most people in that part of Canada wanted to join the U.S. & they voted on it & won but then the vote was blocked by Canada & we said we don’t care they want to join us & we said F it we’re taking it. Yeah I’d say it’s still problematic. Again that’s why I said what I said. I’d view differently then say Israel & South Lebanon or the West Bank but I wouldn’t say no biggy

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Anonymous blue__wave 8h

I think that’s true as far as most people having an issue with him due to being left wing. Again that’s why republicans & moderate dems are in agreement. Also the things you’re saying aren’t the main reason given.

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Anonymous #4 8h

That’s not what happened in Crimea lol. Crimea was invaded then the Russians held a vote where Crimea “decided” to join the people who just invaded them.

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Anonymous #4 8h

What reasons given? We’re disagreeing on reasons. I think it’s pretty obviously people hate him for saying insane shit then never getting any push back from his platform or community. Also the fact that again he loves to run cover for authoritarian regimes. He’s literally had Democrats candidates on his stream, the idea that all democrats hate him is also not true.

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Anonymous #4 8h

Imagine if Israel invaded South Lebanon then held a vote where it was found that most people in South Lebanon wanted to join Israel. Would you describe that as something that’s “okay to disagree” on? Or would you say that seems like a pretty horrific thing?

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Anonymous blue__wave 8h

The referendum was declared illegal yeah I know & which is why it’s an annexation. You can’t legally have an annexation. Also Russia already had a base in Crimea so military they were already there but yes more military was sent for the actual annexation. Idk like I’ve already said I think you can’t argue the popularity was “forced” they had a big size population that was Russian especially older Russian so maybe it wasn’t idk. I think Obama should have went after Putin & made him give it back

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Anonymous #4 8h

That’s fine I agree about the Obama thing, but do you see how it’s maybe a little bit more complicated than him being far left? That’s my point.

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Anonymous #4 8h

I didn’t say all dems hate him when then I say that? Also I don’t think we can compare South Lebanon to Crimea. Since Israel has been mass bombing none stop & the people are very open about not liking Israel.

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Anonymous #4 8h

You said they were running non stop attacks on him, among other things, I feel like that would mean they hate him.

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Anonymous blue__wave 8h

I specifically said moderate & corporate Dems. That doesn’t describe all dems.

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Anonymous #4 8h

Russia is bombing Ukrainian people lol, there were pro Russian parties in Crimea that weren’t popular and the fact that only pro Russian observers were allowed to observe the referendum is pretty telling. I feel like it’s a pretty close example.

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Anonymous #4 8h

Yeah and he’s had mainstream dems like tom steyer on his stream.

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Anonymous blue__wave 8h

But you’re talking about the 2014 annexation of Crimea not the 2022 invasion of Ukraine. He has two different stances on that so I feel like you can definitely disagree & hate both you can’t say they are the same. I’d say Israel’s actions are far closer to the 2022 invasion than the 2014 annexation.

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Anonymous #4 8h

Yeah I know but I didn’t say all the mainstream dems hate him. I again said corporate & moderate dems.

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Anonymous #4 8h

Mainstream and moderate are usually the same people. Those are just different words for the same thing. Yeah with the actual war he just pumps out misinfo. You have to admit though I think people dislike him for totally valid reasons, I wish he was as hated as he pretends to be. Republicans only take him when they’re attacking dems using him.

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Anonymous #4 8h

The guy who he had on I think literally owns a corporation btw lol.

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Anonymous blue__wave 8h

I disagree. AOC, Bernie, Ro Khanna, Zohran Mamdani etc are all mainstream but not moderate. I don’t completely disagree. I mean CNN, Fox, MSNBC etc have been repeatedly running negative segments on him. A lot of more moderate podcasts, the leader of the ADL, etc have been pretty negative so I’d say that’s a lot of hate but at the same time he’s still the biggest leftist streamer & only growing so I guess you could argue that a lot of the hate is manufactured & not as big as it seems.

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Anonymous #4 8h

No people are just being exposed to his statements lol. Do you think Mamdani denouncing him was manufactured?

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Anonymous blue__wave 8h

Tom Stayer is a billionaire dem candidate running for office. When I say corporate dems I’m talking about dems in office who openly taking money from corporations & operate on their behalf

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Anonymous #4 8h

Sure if that’s were defining it. Again he has a main stream, moderate, corporate dem on his stream. He’s not hated by them.

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Anonymous blue__wave 8h

Do you genuinely this Mamdani denounced him? Mamdani said he didn’t agree with his 9/11 statement. Saying I don’t agree with every single statement someone has ever said isn’t the same as denouncing them. Those are two very different things

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Anonymous #4 8h

You don’t think a billionaire represents corporate interest at all? That’s rlly the argument we’re making?

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Anonymous blue__wave 8h

I really can’t think of any. Not to say 0 moderate corporate dems would go on his stream. But none come to mind. Although as I’ve said earlier maybe I’m miss remembering.

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Anonymous blue__wave 8h

I said he’s someone running for office which is different than an established member of the party.

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Anonymous #4 7h

His said the comment hasan made was reprehensible, so he 100% denounced it.

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Anonymous #4 7h

So now we’re moving the goal post again, so someone running in office can’t be a corporate dem?

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Anonymous #4 7h

I think it’s very telling you seem to be Hasan fan and you’re playing all these weird semantics games, like saying a billionaire isn’t a corporate dem lol.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7h

So did he denounce a comment or did he denounce Hasan because those are two different things? How am I moving the goalposts. Viewing someone who’s running for office & has never held office as different than someone who’s established in the party isn’t moving the goalpost. Especially when they have disagreement & push back on the stream.

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Anonymous #4 7h

It doesn’t matter if it was him or his statement. Answer the question was that manufactured? It’s moving the goal post bc him running for office doesn’t change the fact the vast majority of people would consider him a corporate dem. It doesn’t matter if there was a back and forth. The disagreement is do people hate him just for being left wing? The answer is very obviously no, if corporate dems hated him they wouldn’t be on his stream.

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Anonymous #4 7h

We’re doing so much mental gymnastics to get away from the point lol.

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Anonymous #4 7h

I mean speaking of semantics you and your moderate equals mainstream. As far as being a fan I genuinely don’t hate him at all but think it’s okay to not like him. I do try my best to try & find the full clip before I say something about online figures & that’s true for more then just Hasan & includes Ben Shapiro, Destiny, Matt Walsh, Zohran Mamdani, AOC, Asmongold, etc I’ll also admit sometimes I don’t care enough & won’t look for the clip & will instead just go idk lol

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Anonymous #4 7h

Yes most mainstream dems are moderates. Do you think that isn’t true? what a dishonest thing to say. I never said you hated him, what? Yeah I’m saying you shouldn’t like him, he’s a pretty cancerous individual to politics. Ok?

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Anonymous blue__wave 7h

Idk if one “corporate dem” who’s running for office going on his stream & giving push back means corporate dems like him. Also as for Zohran it does matter because first you claimed he denounced him as a person now you’re staying it doesn’t matter if he denounced him as a persons or just one statement but to answer your question I don’t think Zohran hates Hasan or denounced him so I wouldn’t say his hatred is manufactured since there isn’t any

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Anonymous blue__wave 7h

Who should I like?

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Anonymous #4 7h

I didn’t say it means they like him. You were painting this picture that they were secretly conspiring against him to get him canceled. If that was true why would they be on his stream? He did denounce his statement he said his comment was “reprehensible”. Was that manufactured when Mamdani said that?

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Anonymous #4 7h

I don’t know, you’re one of those people who I think shouldn’t engage in politics bc you can’t engage in a normal convo.

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Anonymous #4 7h

It being him or his statement is irrelevant to the question. I think it’s very telling you’re trying to pedantically go over what phrase I used instead of just engaging with the question.

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Anonymous #4 7h

Also Hasan is on twitch which is owned by Amazon. To pretend that corporate interest are conspiring against him while he’s on platform owned by Amazon is also laughable.

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Anonymous blue__wave 6h

Do you have more examples then just Tom Stayer as far as a moderate Democrat going on his stream & being friendly because you make it seem like a decent amount been on. Again maybe I’m miss remembering & you do sound like you know a lot so if you wouldn’t mind giving me a couple examples other than him. Thank you in advance for educating me.

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Anonymous #4 6h

I don’t think there are many, that’s how this all started is Gavin Newsom was going on his stream and then people said he shouldn’t platform Hasan, maybe Gavin Newsom was going to try to yell at him or cancel him. That doesn’t rlly make sense, regardless the burden of proof is on you the fact that I can point to examples that don’t go with your narrative is probably not a good sign.

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Anonymous #4 6h

As for Zohran. I said I think a lot of hate is manufactured. You asked if Zohran denouncing Hasan was manufactured. I said he didn’t denounce him & said there’s a difference between denouncing a person or just a statement. You then said it didn’t matter which I disagree with & believe there’s a big difference. I don’t know how denouncing a singular statement applies to manufactured hatred of a person as a whole. I thin Zohran agrees with Hasan’s sentiment on the statement if he knows it but

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Anonymous #4 6h

Ok let’s simplify this bc I feel like you’re trying super hard to get away from a super simple point. When Mamdani said that’s Hasan’s 9/11 statement was “reprehensible” was that manufactured or not manufactured? This is a super simple question.

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Anonymous #4 6h

Definitely doesn’t agree with the way he said it & I think that’s okay. I don’t see any issue with not likening how he said it. Makes sense not to. But again I don’t think it’s irrelevant because again being against a person vs being against a singular statement are two different things & I’m willing to bet most people would agree with me on that. So you who are very educated & smart & think that Hasan is extremely bad & cancerous have 0 recommendations? If that’s how you feel why even engage

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Anonymous #4 6h

Yeah I know they’re two different things. Dragons and Walmarts are two different things that doesn’t make them relevant to the convo. I’m letting you know as the person who’s making the point that the distinction is irrelevant to the point I’m making. Now maybe you’re a mind reader and you know the point I’m about to make idk.

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Anonymous #4 6h

& respond to anything? Like why even tell me he’s so bad & cancerous if you don’t have any recommendations on who people should over the largest person on the left.

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Anonymous #4 6h

No I don’t have recommendations for you I don’t know what the point of recommending something to someone who can’t have a normal convo.

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Anonymous #4 6h

Just answer the question was it manufactured when Mamdani made that statement about Hasan’s comment?

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Anonymous #4 6h

And also I realize you’re asking me to recommend someone so you can criticize them instead of engaging in the current topic. That’s very obvious to me lol.

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Anonymous #4 6h

Bernie, Ro Khaona, etc still supporting him don’t they care about their career and the future of the party. What do you think they’re doing wrong & why is their message which you clearly share not making the change we need to win elections & protect the party?

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Anonymous blue__wave 6h

How do you know I would criticize them or even know them? Plus what would I even criticize them on? No I don’t think Mamdani’s hated of Hasan came from manufacture consent but that’s because I don’t believe he hates Hasan So again if all those people are saying multiple times the same things as you trying to warn & save the party form an extremely dangerous and cancerous leach who’s only going harm the Dems what do you think they’re doing wrong on the messaging front to get that point across?

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Anonymous #4 6h

I don’t think they’re getting the messaging wrong, they’re 100% correct. I didn’t ask if he hated Hasan, again a super simple question, notice how you can’t answer it. When Mamdani stated that Hasan’s comment was “reprehensible” was that manufactured?

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Anonymous #4 6h

If you’re asking who democrats should collaborate with I think Adam Mockler is great, Ryan Geddie (he’s probably too small), Sam Harris, Luke Beasley, Brian Tyler Cohen. Stacy Kay is a based comedian I just learned about her.

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Anonymous #4 5h

I’m sure there’s other people, I’m not sure about twitch I’m not on that platform usually.

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Anonymous blue__wave 5h

So if they are getting the messaging wrong & they obviously should have a huge reach since they’re all saying the same thing but are in different parties & different parts of those parties why aren’t people listening. Like it doesn’t seem to be making any real difference? I mean you can say the right thing but not say it in a way that’s super receptive you know what I mean. Again you said Hasan pretends more people hate him than they actually do & you wish more people actually did hate him.

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Anonymous #4 5h

I have no clue what you’re saying. Are you asking why Hasan isn’t hated?

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Anonymous blue__wave 2h

I think I figured out the issue. You said Hasan isn’t as hated as you wish he was & that Fox News, Laura Loomer, John Fetterman, Richie Torres, Cory Booker, 3rd Way, Sarah longwell, CNN, MSNBC, Elissa Slotkin, Mallory McMorrow, Haley Stevens, NY post, Washington Post etc are all 100% right on their views of Hassan and the fact that he’s a giant threat and cancer to the Democratic Party. But that’s the issues the message is coming from a ton of conservatives, some of the least popular dems as far

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Anonymous #4 2h

As the base is concerned, centrist think tanks, and consultants who have openly stated that they want to make sure the party doesn’t abandoned Israel, abolish ice, or get medicare for all & focus on crushing progressives. On top the most popular politicians in the party talking positively of him. So while the message is as you said 100% correct the messenger is wrong.

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Anonymous #4 2h

We need to figure out a way to make the party realize that a broken clock is right twice a day and just because the most popular people think something it doesn’t make it correct

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