Anonymous #2 6d

yes there is doofus

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Anonymous #3 6d

like what

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Anonymous #2 6d

When I stub my toe

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Anonymous #4 6d

(before anyone says “that’s an edge case-“ OP SAID ‘NEVER’)

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Anonymous #4 6d

Where are you going with this?

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Anonymous landtrust 6d

no that’s the woke furniture corner mob attacking you

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Anonymous #5 6d

Even if you’re right, that justifies it now?

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Anonymous OP 6d

> even if you’re right

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Anonymous #2 6d

I’m not really sure I understand what you’re trying to say.

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Anonymous OP 6d

was the revolutionary war violent? was slavery violent? was colonization violent?

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Anonymous #2 6d

Violence can be due to many factors, including mental health, household issues, life experiences. Sometimes they can be correlated to political climate, but there are too many factors to say it is distinctively political.

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Anonymous #2 6d

Yes, so why should it be justified now?

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Anonymous #2 6d

violent in their own unique ways

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Anonymous OP 6d

Answer my question first.

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Anonymous #4 6d

Well I don’t think it’s relevant but I’ll humor you. I think the US joining the fight was instrumental to the allie’s victory.

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Anonymous OP 6d

Fair. New question: did the allies DESERVE to win?

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Anonymous #6 6d

With the current situation and their technology and scope, that won’t happen. You must do the climb

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Anonymous #6 6d

Ok sure I agree with that. But until we see one, we should all stop with the political violence, yes?

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Anonymous OP 6d

Until you see a fascist? My friend they already control the government

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Anonymous #4 6d

I don’t think that question really matters. Deserve isn’t the word I would even consider. Both sides had flaws but if I had to choose, I’d say, because of the atrocities by the axis, the allies did deserve to win.

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Anonymous #6 6d

Iran, China, and Myanmar. I guarantee you that if you were to live in those countries, you’d come back to America and beg for forgiveness for ever calling America fascist. I’ve been there. I’ve seen the shit they do. We are not even close to fascist.

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Anonymous OP 6d

I have lived in China, it was fucking awesome. Going after the country that has raised more people out of poverty in the last 40 years than ever before in human history is wild

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Anonymous OP 6d

I think the question does matter! Fortunately, you answered it. You DO think they deserved to win. Next question. And hopefully, one that makes this whole line of inquiry make sense. You believe the allies deserved victory. By WHAT MEANS was it acceptable to ACCOMPLISH that victory?

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Anonymous #6 6d

Having the largest population means numbers will be inflated. China also defines poverty as people who make less than $1.9 dollars a day. Not exactly a hard standard to meet. The Chinese also lack a lot of the freedoms that we Americans have. Including protected speech which is very important.

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Anonymous OP 6d

Incorrect, that’s actually the threshold for extreme poverty. The average rural Chinese family has seen their income increase by a far larger marigin, we’re talking actual elevation to the middle class here

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Anonymous #4 6d

War. War was completely justified then to fight a regime that was actively conquest in Europe and killing millions. However, let’s not pretend that the circumstances are anywhere close to being similar to current day. No one is conquering, and no one is killing millions of people.

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Anonymous #6 6d

Boohoo capitalists can’t openly organize to undo the gains of the revolution, cry me a river

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Anonymous OP 6d

What about Israel?

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Anonymous #6 6d

That fair. I misread my stuff. But it’s still not much better. China’s upper-middle income line is $6.85/day. That’s still easy to make. And technically our minimum wage has increased drastically over the years too. Inflation masks a lot of issues. And the Chinese are no strangers to inflation.

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Anonymous #6 6d

What about Israel?

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Anonymous OP 6d

Also I went to high school with many Chinese international students, most of whom were not members of the elite but had instead obtained merit scholarships. Even after getting a taste of American life, they all strongly preferred the Chinese model. I know because I speak Mandarin and have talked to them about it. They would easily be able to afford an apt in a tier 1 Chinese city, a place in fucking upstate New York was far more expensive

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Anonymous OP 6d

I did meet a few who opposed the current Chinese government, but it was literally because they were anti revisionist maoists

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Anonymous OP 6d

“War.” Fair! New question. That war was against fascists. If the war was FOR fascism, would you be in support?

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Anonymous #4 6d

Israel’s genocidal campaign was a fascist war against the indigenous Palestinian population…

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Anonymous #6 6d

So, I’ve had a similar experience with you. I’ve lived in China too and even went to school there. I have experienced the opposite to what you have. I’m sure lots of people do well in China. Lots of people do well in the US. The point isn’t poverty rates. It’s about freedoms. In China, could you speak out against Ping like people do against trump? With insults and hate and remain free?

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Anonymous #6 6d

I’m no Israel fan

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Anonymous #4 6d

I wouldn’t support it. I don’t support *actual* fascism.

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Anonymous OP 6d

And we arrive at the conclusion of this thought exercise. Political violence is OK in contexts you support. That’s what “war” is, after all. So your “political violence is NEVER ok” post is not true.

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Anonymous OP 6d

New question. What contexts OUTSIDE of war do you support political violence in?

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Anonymous #4 6d

I wouldn’t say war is the same as political violence.

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Anonymous OP 6d

… i DARE you to explain the difference in a way that actually separates them.

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Anonymous OP 6d

(war starts because of politics. therefore, war is political violence. that’s my position)

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Anonymous #4 6d

War can happen for many different reasons. Territorial disputes, or ideological issues. Political violence = using force for politics outside structured war. War = organized combat between states or large factions. So WW2 was war, not political violence in the sense I’m arguing about. That’s why your example doesn’t refute my point. I’m talking about here in the US. We’re not at war, are we?

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Anonymous OP 6d

… new question. define “states” or “large factions” in a way that excludes politics. and while you’re at it, define “politics,” because I worry you and I are not on the same page here

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Anonymous #4 6d

You’re doing a semantics gymnastics arguement now. I’m not really into that. But I will say politics is the pursuit of power or control over collective decisions. War is always political, but it’s organized and structured. Political violence outside war lacks that structure and often targets innocents. that’s the moral distinction I’m making.

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Anonymous OP 6d

attempting to police how resistance occurs in the face of violent oppression while casually brushing off the violence of said oppression is kinda wild

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Anonymous #7 6d

Policing resistance? We’re not in a resistance. There’s no hitler reigning over us. I think harming people who happen to disagree with you is morally wrong. You guys make this whole resistance and oppression thing seem like a fetish. It’s weird.

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Anonymous OP 6d

fuck I thought I double commented, my bad for deleting. The gist of what I said is that whether you’re capable of acknowledging the severity of the reality around us, it doesn’t change what’s happening and the means in which people will fight back against an increasing presence of state sanctioned violence

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Anonymous OP 6d

And in all honesty, choosing to sit on the fence as the state launches an ethnic cleansing campaign is a bit fucking wild

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Anonymous #7 6d

Ethnic cleansing? I assume you’re talking about the removal of illegal immigrants from our country? I want to remind you that not all illegal immigrants are the same race. You should be careful in saying that. I know you don’t mean it that way but it sounds a little racist. And I’m not sure sanctioned violence is the correct term. More like “avoidable tragedies”.

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Anonymous OP 6d

genuinely go fuck yourself. you’re not slick attempting to hide behind this guise of “civility”, and it’s the exact thing that Dr. King and Malcolm X both warned about on separate occasions. the fact that you’re parroting the propaganda of “they’re only targeting illegal immigrants” is telling enough, especially after everything you’ve said in this post.

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Anonymous OP 6d

As long as you’re not advocating regime change then yes, look at how much the public opinion of Chinese netizens has influenced public policy

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Anonymous #7 6d

I didn’t even say they’re only targeting illegal immigrants. What?

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Anonymous OP 6d

you’re. not. slick.

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Anonymous #7 6d

Where did I say that only illegal immigrants were being targeted?

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Anonymous OP 6d

I mention the ethnic cleansing campaign that is going on, and you immediately jumped to “the removal of illegal immigrants”. you can try now hiding behind semantics, but you can’t avoid the underlying point regarding you jumping to parrot the propaganda of the state.

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Anonymous #7 6d

I assume that’s what you were talking about because that’s what you liberals jump to parrot from your leaders.

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Anonymous #7 6d

That’s not quite the moment you think it is. You can accuse me of that, I can accuse you of it too. 🤷‍♂️

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Anonymous OP 6d

amazing how you think you haven’t been clocked lol

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Anonymous #3 6d

and the systems that affect mental health and your life and household can be impacted by politics lol

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Anonymous OP 6d

“define the words you’re using” “ummm no. I win now.”

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Anonymous #2 6d

like tf is this lmao

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Anonymous #7 6d

tbh interesting how they said “your leaders” too.

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Anonymous #7 6d

You guys are insane. You guys genuinely treat this stuff like it’s a fetish. You guys are some of the more intense virtue signalers I’ve encountered. And you put words in my mouth and then scream that I said something wrong. No one is being “ethnically cleansed”

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Anonymous #7 6d

Your Democrat leaders? Why is that interesting? Every party has leaders. Majority leaders minority leaders? Do you pay attention to how politics actually work?

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Anonymous OP 5d

your inability to recognize white supremacy does not dismiss the prevalence or increasing severity of white supremacy; and yes this is inherently an ethnic cleansing campaign whether you’re willing to acknowledge it or not. I couldn’t care less about your opinion as you sit here attempting to still spread this propaganda. and I found it interesting due to how common it is for people from other countries to be paid to be agitators, as has been repeatedly proven.

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Anonymous #7 5d

I understand what you mean by “your leaders” now, even though you seeing have trouble recognizing the differences between leftists and liberals; and personally as a leftist, there are no politicians (aside from maybe one or two, if that) that meaningfully represent my views in congress. (aka not a democrat, if you couldn’t tell)

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Anonymous #7 5d

seemingly*

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Anonymous OP 5d

and just so we’re clear, we will be ending this campaign of white supremacist ethnic cleansing one way or another. Those skinheads in “America first” will be defeated, as the confederates before them. whether you like it or not.

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Anonymous #7 5d

See this is why it looks like a fetish. You so desperately need there to be some “white supremacist oppression” because it gives you such strong feelings of moral authority. I get that you’re set on it and that’s fine. You can have your opinion. I don’t think the majority of the country will ever believe you though. But I wish you good luck out there. Stay safe.

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Anonymous OP 5d

“america first” “only European immigrants” **the federal government empowering ice to target and kidnap anyone who isn’t white, without judicial warrants** **the Supreme Court stripping the 4th amendment protections in the context of ICE raids** **the country being created on inherently white supremacist foundations** **segregation lasting from abolition to the civil rights movement (and still unofficially in effect in some areas (“sundown towns”)** do I need to go on?

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Anonymous #7 5d

keep deluding yourself and playing the victim as you inadvertently support, or at minimum comply with, the revitalization of American white supremacy.

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Anonymous #7 5d

(DARVO is played tf out by now, it’s easy to recognize.)

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Anonymous #7 5d

OH, we can’t forget Marco Rubio going on an interview and saying “America first is here to stay”

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Anonymous #7 5d

I think you’re misunderstanding “America first”. It doesn’t mean American are better than everyone else, it just means when it comes to policy, we should think about our own people first. No one said “only European immigrants”. Just because the majority of illegal immigrants happen to be not white, doesn’t mean you can say they’re targeting non whites. They’re targeting illegal immigrants.

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Anonymous OP 5d

And I think you’re a dumbass (or at worst, a white supremacist). I’m quoting what “America first” people have said at their own “rallies” when questioned on their views. See how you’re still clinging to the propaganda of “illegal immigrants” when the majority of people being targeted are those that are here legally; in addition to the new federal stance of being anti-asylum (limiting the amount of legal pathways into the country; aka redefining who is and isn’t a “legal immigrant”).

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Anonymous #7 5d

again, for the third time (maybe forth?), you’re not slick and we see right through your propagandizing bullshit. It makes sense why a scumbag as yourself would make this post, because society is finally starting to realize (once again) that the only meaningful way to combat the spread of your prejudiced beliefs is to punch people like you in the face when expressing them in public.

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Anonymous OP 5d

tldr for your illiterate ass: keep it up and you’ll learn what a soup can to the face feels like.

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Anonymous #2 5d

I never said they couldn’t be lmao. You’re not saying anything. If I asked you to pin down exact causes politics can sure be a factor but there will keep being branches. There’s no definite origin, unless you intentionally generalize the scenario.

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Anonymous #7 5d

It’s interesting to see someone so smitten with their own propaganda acuse me of falling for propaganda. I thought you would be a normal person to talk to but instead, you’re resorting to threats now and insults. That’s not normal adjusted person behavior. And it makes your side look bad. You take examples from the right’s extreme. But your side’s extremes are literally saying “kill all white people”. I hope you stay safe out there bro and I hope no harm ever comes to you over your opinions

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Anonymous #6 5d

Try going to China and questioning or criticizing Ping or communism as a whole. You’ll be scooped up and never seen again.

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Anonymous OP 5d

lol you just operate based off your feels and nothing else

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Anonymous OP 5d

read the room already, you absolute dipshit. everyone sees through your bullshit; it’s ridiculous of you to keep trying. learn something other than DARVO already, even though we know learning isn’t exactly your strong suit.

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Anonymous #7 5d

Yeah this app is a leftist echo chamber for sure. I’m definitely the minority here. I’m sorry you get so angry to the point of insults because someone disagrees with you. I think this is the reason why leftists tend to be less happy in life. I won’t entertain the idea that you think I’m using darvo. That’s childish of you to just randomly say. I genuinely hope you can chill out a bit and maybe spend less time on this leftist oppression fetish. You’ll be happier 👍

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Anonymous #7 5d

There are countless reported instances of this happening and I can give you links. But sure. Im using my feelings 🙄. Also, if you don’t mind, im debating this guy, not you, on this chain. Thanks.

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Anonymous OP 5d

As you sit here advocating and propagandizing for ethnic cleansing. Fuck off, white nationalist piece of shit.

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Anonymous #7 5d

There’s no ethnic cleansing. They’re simply removing people who did not enter the country legally from the country. White, brown, black. It doesn’t matter. And I’m not even white lmao 😂

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Anonymous OP 5d

yet you’re still a white supremacist, odd. again, keep advocating for ethnic cleansing and see what happens to you in public.

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Anonymous #7 5d

Ok that’s how you know you’re brainwashed 😂. I’m Mexican and you think I’m a white supremacist because I don’t behave the way a dumb Mexican who doesn’t know what’s best for him should, is that right? You liberals are the real racists 😂. And again, it’s not an ethnic cleansing. People of all ethnicities who are here illegally are being deported.

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Anonymous OP 5d

your internalized racism is absolutely wild; as you sit here attempting to defend the current acceleration of fascism and (yes) ethnic cleansing being perpetuated by the state. as a final point, you’re obviously too far radicalized in support of fascism to continue attempting to talk you out of it, so don’t be surprised when you’re held accountable for your role in this. Whether it’s months, years, or decades, you all will be held accountable, and we will not let you live this down.

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Anonymous #7 5d

enjoy your chosen life as a fascist at worst, or sympathizer at best.

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Anonymous #7 5d

Classic racist liberal. If a minority disagree with your views, they must have internalized racism 😂. You’re literally supporting political violence to silence the opposition. That’s was fascists do. The irony is so funny and it’s crazy how you don’t see it. Lmao I’m the radical one. I’ll enjoy a prosperous country that isn’t being taken advantage of by illegal immigrants who hate America. You can go on enjoying your little fetish for being oppressed.

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Anonymous OP 5d

I’ve talked to many Maga and America first people who love that my parents came to the country legally a generation ago. They pat us on the back and say, “welcome to America neighbors”. You guys just make shit up and then cry about it because it’s a fetish that you have.

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Anonymous OP 5d

“Don’t deport me Mr President I’m one of the good hombres!”

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Anonymous OP 5d

Self tokenizing won’t save you 💕

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Anonymous #8 5d

You didn’t read what I said.

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Anonymous OP 5d

“there is no war in ba sing se” head ass I swear

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Anonymous #7 5d

Are you fr comparing real life to a kids cartoon? And even if you could do that, did Aang assault and berate the citizens of Ba Sing Se for saying things that they disagreed with?

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Anonymous OP 5d

Me when I have no media literacy and am also a self tokenizing enabler

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Anonymous OP 5d

it’s a joke you utter moron.

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Anonymous #7 5d

Well you guys tend to say weird and unhinged stuff so it’s hard to tell when you’re joking. I’ll just remind you that insults and name calling make you seem a lot less intelligent. I don’t think you’re dumb, I just think you’re so emotional that you can’t help but resort to insults when you cant understand other people’s arguments. I just think you can’t handle that others have different beliefs and your emotions make it seem like my beliefs are really extreme. But they’re really not.

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Anonymous #8 5d

You’re probably just saying that because I’m brown. Why do you hate brown people so much?

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Anonymous OP 5d

aaand now seems like a great time to go over DARVO, the common propaganda tactic utilized by extremist groups. D.: deny responsibility A.: attack the person confronting you R.V.O.: reverse the victim and offender in the scenario being discussed. being able to easily recognize these tactics helps to combat the spread of propaganda and hateful ideologies.

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Anonymous #7 5d

This is one of many tactics being utilized by the far right to advance their hateful causes. We need to recognize where it occurs and stop the spread of their message to prevent further damage.

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Anonymous #7 5d

Ok bro. You deny responsibility for supporting illegal immigration which harms the people in our country and you’ve been attacking me this whole time with insults and threats. The American people are the victims of the immigrant’s illegal immigration. So really, you’re using Darvo because illegal immigration happened before people hated illegal immigration.

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Anonymous OP 5d

“I know what you are but what am I”

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Anonymous #8 5d

You debate like a child. I can tell you work in retail or some shit.

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Anonymous OP 5d

Lmao who said this was a debate I’m just here to pummel your self esteem and rub your stupidity in your face

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Anonymous OP 5d

You reek of right-wing Redditor

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Anonymous #8 5d

Ok so I’ll just take that as an admission of a childish mindset and you choosing not to be a serious person. Or as someone who just enjoys your little antifa fetish.

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Anonymous OP 5d

Be someone that’s deserving of being taken seriously first and we’ll talk about it lmfao, seriously I can smell the soy coming off you through my phone

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Anonymous #8 4d

That’s rich coming from you. Good luck out there. I hope you get better. Stay safe.

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