Anonymous #3 17w

This makes no sense lol

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Anonymous #3 17w

What. Do you think someone can’t be subject to racism if they are “white adjacent”? Any ethnicity can be subject to racism. That includes white people, it’s just that anti-white bigotry doesn’t have sufficient institutional influence to cause systemic harm (due to white supremacy holding institutional power), so it’s not as severe as more impactful forms of racism.

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Anonymous #2 17w

but white people are the only race contributing to oppression reinforcing their social power so it’s a lil different

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Anonymous #2 17w

check UK rn bub

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Anonymous #5 17w

Are they? Do immigrant communities (particularly model minorities) not adopt anti-black attitudes as part of ingratiating themselves within white-dominated power structures? Is the racism against the descendants of black slaves within indigenous communities in Oklahoma not using oppression as a way to reinforce social power? Are anti-black attitudes from Latin America not inherited by immigrant communities?

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Anonymous #2 17w

And while systemic racism is primarily viewed through a national lense, it can recreate itself in miniature. Racial bullying within a high school (which can vary depending on what ethnicity is most predominant) is a smaller scale than national systemic racism, but it is creating power structures built on discrimination at a smaller scale.

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Anonymous #2 17w

well yes because no race other than whites has racial dominance over structural power

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Anonymous #5 17w

and no high schools don’t have their own power structures they already exist within the context of a society so idk if you thought it’s like severance up in there but it’s not they’re still within the same systems

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Anonymous #5 17w

People can integrate themselves within the white power structure and take advantage of it to benefit themselves over other groups who are more targeted by systemic racism. And different races can have racial dominance over structural power at a smaller scale. The Choctaw tribe denying tribal membership and benefits to the descendants of black people enslaved by the Choctaw is a government using its structural power for racial discrimination.

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Anonymous #5 17w

High school absolutely have a small scale power structure. Some people are bullied and some people are not. In a high school that is heavily dominated by one ethnicity (whether that be black, Hispanic, white, etc), those who are not of that ethnicity may be socially ostracized or targeted. This does not need to align with what ethnicity is dominant over institutional power of the nation at large.

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Anonymous #2 17w

capitulation to white supremacy doesn’t change anything structurally just creates a way to hide as an individual also nothing is close to the scale and severity of the impact and pervasiveness of white supremacy and the important thing about it is it simultaneously reinforces white structural power while oppressing others there’s nothing reasonably comparable

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Anonymous #5 17w

Things that are at a smaller scale are still bad. They are just less far reaching in their badness. They’re still a problem to be acknowledged and dealt with.

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Anonymous #2 17w

bro we’re talking about institutional power structures large scale stuff and oppression and you’re talking bout bullying 😭

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Anonymous #5 17w

My comment that you replied to was about personally held bigotries being a problem. How do you think systemic racism becomes a thing? It’s when personal bigotries become policy. Anti-Asian racism wasn’t institutional in Uganda, until the government implemented it and ethnically cleansed its Asian population through mass deportations and property confiscations.

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Anonymous #2 17w

if i say “dude its so fucked up my mom has cancer” and you say “yeah well my mom has a cold” yeah a cold isn’t good but it’s nothing close to cancer so why even bring it up other than defensiveness

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Anonymous #5 17w

so within the metaphor this is like saying “yeah maybe a cold isn’t that serious but it could become pneumonia” which would sound stupid to say to someone upset about their mother having cancer

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Anonymous #5 17w

Systemic racism originates from personal bigotries. If personal bigotries are ignored that allows new forms of systemic racism to be created. Acting as if racism only exists among white people allows for new racial power structures to develop and propagate themselves at smaller scales, which then become larger scales.

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Anonymous #2 17w

I get why OP would say the comment is kind of distasteful, but with how much stuff recently there has been about racism between the black and Asian communities, and given I’ve gotten in numerous arguments with people who seemingly think only white people can be racist, it felt important to say that we ALL need to confront our own racial biases.

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Anonymous #2 17w

that’s not how it works mama white supremacy has become internationally institutional through centuries of global power, violence, propaganda, and ethnic genocides this shi doesn’t just come out the blue it’s all got foundations you don’t just “create new systemic racism”

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Anonymous #5 17w

that’s true but when you say this as a response to “white people are racist” it sounds like you’re trying to oppose that. it’s like “all lives matter” like yeah but we’re not talking about that rn bru

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Anonymous #5 17w

I guess it’s just been on my mind a lot considering actual arguments I’ve gotten into lately have included someone saying “all white people are inherently evil” and “boycotting all Asian businesses isn’t racist”

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Anonymous #2 17w

and the interesting thing there when it’s minority discrimination against minority no one grows any institutional power or privilege through that everyone’s losing. i’d say if it’s top of mind make your own post so it doesn’t seem like you’re trying to argue

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Anonymous #5 17w

I do think it’s important to acknowledge cases where new forms of institutional racism have created themselves as a response to previous systems. That’s what happened in Uganda against Indians, in Zanzibar against Arabs, in Rwanda against Tutsis, in post-WW2 Poland against German speakers, and in Latvia today against Russians. Groups who were previously benefited by the colonial ethnic power structures became themselves disadvantaged as part of anti-colonial backlash.

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Anonymous #2 17w

I know I’m just repeating myself at this point so i see what you’re saying but I guess I feel like some people seem to think that racial power structures can only possibly exist as white supremacy, when really that’s just the racial power structure which is predominant today. And some people seem to think that the existence of a white supremacist power structure means that individual racism which doesn’t adhere to it can’t exist.

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Anonymous #2 17w

girl because we’re talking about the united states

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