Anonymous #2 18w

For real I think a lot of the disagreement here stems from a refusal to see any perspective besides what you believe to be going on. Everyone had their minds made up prior to this even happening

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Anonymous #2 18w

I definitely don't think she deserved to get shot but I also don't think that the cop committed 1st degree murder or that this is some unprecedented show of tyrannical force under Trumps orders

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Anonymous #3 18w

Its a huge failure in policing and should be treated as such

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Anonymous #2 18w

Nah we all saw the murder. And she'd still be alive if trump didn't send his secret police to invade US cities.

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Anonymous #3 18w

I totally get that this is an anonymous app and there is no level of transparency or honesty required to post here, but it’s brutal watching people continue to post objectively false statements and then move the goalposts when confronted

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Anonymous #2 18w

I honestly think a lot of it is reaction baiting, people are bored and want to say stuff that garners attention, but in today's political climate, you have to say something 50x as extreme as you would have even 5 years ago to be heard on that level

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Anonymous #4 18w

“Secret Police” and it’s literally an organization that has been utilized by the executive branch for 46 years and has been formalized as ICE for 22

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Anonymous #3 18w

Well this requires logical thinking that people are autonomous beings and can make failures on their own and should be held accountable instead of extrapolating anecdotes to prove your argument

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Anonymous #3 18w

That’s what most of this app is. If you are proven wrong you can instantly shift or simply not respond to the claim being made and then post again

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Anonymous #2 18w

Yeah because other presidents didn't abuse their power to make ice or other agencies effectively secret police. Ice were not harassing, brutalizing, and detaining (and killing) citizens under Obama.

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Anonymous #4 18w

Not only have other presidents done that with ICE, other presidents have done it with almost every single federal agency we have

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Anonymous #4 18w

The ACLU vehemently disagreed about that

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Anonymous #2 18w

I don't like ice but they weren't used as a secret police force under any president besides trump

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Anonymous #4 18w

Using the term “secret police” is literally clear you have no American History knowledge. ICE has always been under scrutiny by human rights groups, even under your favorite presidents of the last 40 years. You are only seeing the discourse now because of the rise in mass media and catastrophic thinking

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Anonymous #4 18w

ICE agents under Obama were literally raping US citizens, genuinely what the fuck are you on about?

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Anonymous #2 18w

There are literally cars going around her in the video, what the fuck was she obstructing. They walked up to her, picked a fight, and shot her, because they were bitter little pieces of human garbage.

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Anonymous #2 18w

Blah blah blah. Ice has always been bad but trump has taken it to a whole new level.

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Anonymous OP 18w

She was obstructing by not following lawful commands (namely to get out of the car)

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Anonymous #3 18w

Not a lawful command

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Anonymous #4 18w

A "lawful command" is a directive from an authorized person (like a police officer or military superior) that must be obeyed because it falls within their legal authority and doesn't require breaking the law or violating constitutional rights; failure to comply can lead to legal penalties like arrest or fines, but it must be a clear order for a legitimate purpose, not a request or an order to do something illegal

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Anonymous #4 18w

Tell me where "Get out of the car" fails to meet that definition

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Anonymous #3 18w

She's a citizen and wasn't obstructing

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Anonymous #4 18w

By definition she was, she failed to obey a lawful command.

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Anonymous #3 18w

Ice can't tell citizens what to do unless they're directly obstructing

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Anonymous #4 18w

Under U.S. v. Varkonyi (1970) federal agents have the right to detain citizens if they are obstructing an active investigation

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Anonymous #4 18w

Does disobeying a lawful command warrant getting shot? No. Is it still obstruction regardless? Yes.

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I think there should be a full investigation

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He deserves it

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There is an ongoing investigation by DHS and then Minnesota police. It doesn’t happen in a week

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If anything it’d be kristi noem and no, he isn’t because the Federal government has jurisdiction over the case

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By all means, go try and shoot Trump in the face. Not really a political statement to say that wouldn’t work out well

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You're asking me for my opinion on it, I'm not the president or involved in our government if you weren't aware

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When did I defend that? Is the idea that multiple people can be at fault for a tragic event happening and the subsequent fallout lost on you?

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Don't get all fussy that I agree it should be investigated

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Whats factually wrong about what I'm saying?

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Anonymous #1 18w

And conducting a CORRECT investigation is also a good thing to do but nooo trump is fully backing this officer and not having him investigated. NOT EVEN HAVING HIM INVESTIGATED AND HE WAS THE ONE WHO SHOT HER.. it’s absolutely mental

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I never even made the claim there already was an investigation, I just said I think there should be. I didn't ever say they were justified either, in fact I explicitly said multiple times I think it was wrong to shoot her.

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Anonymous #3 18w

He knew she wasn’t armed, why couldn’t he have shot at her tires? Or file a report with the police if she committed a crime and let them handle it as she wasn’t a public safety risk. Like be so fr she should not have been shot.. period. The problem is they have loosened the reins on ICE and it takes longer for me get my fucking oil changed than it takes ICE to get through training. If they wanna act like law enforcement, they need to be trained PROPERLY

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Anonymous #6 18w

No way you did the meme😭

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Anonymous #3 18w

What that cop did was more dangerous than what that woman did 1000%. The minute he shot her, there was no one operating a moving vehicle ON ICE… even the actual police know how stupid and unsafe that is for literally EVERYONE around

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Anonymous #6 18w

This isn’t a movie man, that has never and will never be an LEO protocol because it poses an objectively greater threat to all parties involved.

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You’re aware that this situation isn’t as black and white as you want to make it out to me. Both Good and the ICE agent made mistakes that resulted in her death. The agent should at the bare minimum be investigated thoroughly, but had Good obeyed any of the orders she was given instead of choosing to drive towards the officer in front of her, she’d be alive.

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I can’t speak for 3, but then I just said it. You can think something and acknowledge the unlikely chance of it happening. I think there should be an investigation and that there’s probably an at least legally defensible case through precedent like Graham v. Connor & U.S. v. Varkonyi for the officer to get off. Do I think that he will be held accountable at all? Probably not and I think that’s wrong. You’re getting confused because you’re conflating morality, legality and reality.

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It’s neither of our faults you don’t understand nuance😭

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Yeah man, if I lived in a rainbow house full of cotton candy where everything went my way I’d be pretty happy. That’s not the real world, welcome to it. I doubt you’re going to enjoy your stay

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When you see failure to sensationalize a woman's death to the highest degree possible as defending the people who killed her, you lost the plot.

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