Anonymous #1 1d

Maybe the modern catholic position is, regardless it’s just crazy to me how much they try to intervene in politics with their fairy tales

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Anonymous OP 1d

That’s been the Catholic position since its founding in 33AD. And they have the same right to political intervention as an atheist. Some people just had conviction man

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Anonymous #1 1d

They don’t have a right to instill religious laws actually lmao. That’s their position.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Opposing abortion isn’t a specifically Catholic policy. Many atheists and Muslims are also anti-abortion. The Catholic Church is just the biggest one in the west

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Anonymous #1 1d

Sure not inherently, their reason is.

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Anonymous OP 1d

It’s still a perfectly legal law to install. They can support it regardless of their reasoning

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Anonymous #1 1d

But they’re wrong so 🤷

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Anonymous #2 1d

Maybe to you

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Anonymous #1 1d

My position is the one supported by reality. I don’t have to give a belief equal treatment when it’s wrong. Yeah they believe that. They’re wrong.

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Anonymous #1 1d

They cannot propose legislation built off rellgion.

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Anonymous #1 1d

So does that make god evil because he killed 2.4 million people with the great flood

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Anonymous #1 1d

Catholicism has sanctioned murder for centuries. Fuck em.

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Anonymous #2 1d

It can be easily argued that their position is backed by science. What’s objective about your opinion

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Anonymous OP 1d

Brother, yes they can. That’s not how separation of church and state works

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Anonymous #1 1d

No it can’t

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Anonymous #2 1d

The argument is always life starts at conception which is true

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Anonymous #1 1d

Yes it is?

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Anonymous OP 1d

No it’s not lmao. You can support and implement legislation even if your motivations are from religious reasons as long as the law can be defended with secular rationale. To which abortion can be defended in such a way

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Anonymous #1 1d

“defended with secular rationale” That’s the point, it’s not being defended with secular rationale

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Anonymous OP 1d

Yeah it is because the argument is that life begins at conception so therefore abortion is killing a human. Thats fully defensible

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Anonymous #1 1d

Killing a human isn’t a crime. Illegally killing one is.

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Anonymous OP 1d

That doesn’t disprove the fact that this law can be secularly defended. If you think it’s morally wrong to kill a baby in the womb then that’s defensible

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Anonymous #1 1d

And a catholics reasoning why it’s morally wrong would likely be because..?

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Anonymous OP 1d

A Catholics reasoning is that murder is a grave sin. Yes, absolutely. An Atheist, Muslim, Jew could all agree with that moral sentiment for either religious or non-religious reasons. It absolutely holds up in the judiciary system

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Anonymous #1 1d

So if they were to implement a law saying something should be outlawed because of the religiously given moral implications?

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Anonymous OP 1d

It really depends. Like if someone attempted to implement a law banning eating meat on Fridays for lent, that would not hold up because it can’t be defended secularly. Banning abortion can be defended from religious or secular moral reasons like I’ve said

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Anonymous #1 1d

Using religious reasoning, if someone were to propose a law banning something, would that be upheld legally?

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Anonymous OP 1d

If it can be defended with secular rationale as well yes it would

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Anonymous #1 1d

“Using religious reasoning”

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Anonymous OP 1d

This is a matter of semantics. Yes, the reasoning being fully religious is irrelevant

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Anonymous #1 1d

Semantics is doing a lot of heavy lifting when this is the same scrutiny any legal entity would ask.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Not really the point I was making when I said this is a matter of semantics. But literally any site about laws and the first amendment would agree with what I’m saying

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Anonymous #1 1d

Completely untrue lol

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Anonymous OP 1d

Actually there’s a SCOTUS case now that I’m further looking. McGowan v. Maryland actually shows that the Establishment clause doesn’t invalidate laws just because they were supported for religious reasons

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Anonymous OP 1d

I guess it is true after all

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Anonymous #1 1d

You’re just saying this lol

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Anonymous OP 1d

Look it up bruh

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Anonymous #1 1d

Me look it up after you tried arguing that me asking for reasoning is semantics?

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Anonymous OP 1d

No I was saying that the debate was going nowhere for like 5 replies because of a semantics issue

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Anonymous OP 1d

Or yk what maybe I fucked up the usage of the word semantics. But either way the SCOTUS case proves what I’m saying. Laws with religious backing do not violate the Establishment clause provided they have secular reasoning

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Anonymous #1 1d

RATIONALE

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