
justinian
Calling Islam a cancer is unnecessary and unhelpful and morally wrong to the millions of wonderful Muslim people in the world. At the same time, conservative Islam is an underrated plague across the entire world and you shouldn’t ignore or downplay itOut of Christian Nationalism, Hindutva, and Zionism, hardline Islam is the most geographically widespread and probably the most deadly. This isn’t about innocent refugees or normal Muslim people living their lives, its about the “blasphemy” lynchings in Pakistan, the mass gender apartheid in Afghanistan, and the ethnic cleansing of (indigenous btw) Hindus, Buddhists, and Jews in countries from the Arab Levant to Indonesia.
Hindu nationalism is gross and bigoted but I see it as originating from rage against Islamic colonialism and genocide of Hindu and Buddhist peoples that goes back hundreds of years and continues today. In that way, its not entirely different from the Palestinian militant groups, most of whom are really gross and evil like Hamas and Hezbollah. Its important to understand where it comes from though.
OP thinks that Hezbollah and Hamas embody the “gross” “evil” of salafism, because they can’t make a distinction between literally the resistance that has fought against daesh funded by israel and america and enabled by them at multiple times. israel would have the jnoub; daesh would have the north if not for hezbollah. u can have ur critiques wtv idc but hamas is the only group fighting against daesh-affiliated groups that have naturally pledged allegiance to IS, and have done killings before.
it’s historical revisionism and nationalist myth making. it’s not a *response* in the way that you’re framing it. hindutva did not come from genuine rage. gross and bigoted is an interesting euphemism for the racialized genocidal nature of hindutva. the ideological spine is islamophobia, but india is actively genociding kuki-zo christians, indigenous adivasis in jh-od/chattisgarh, did massive gcidal pogroms in 1984, sterilized 6.2 million men in the 1975 emergency, freq kills dalits in pogroms
bengalis don’t hate marathis for chopping off the arms of women to ensure they couldn’t resist when the slaughtered and raped them. they hate pakistan, for the racialized genocidal mass rape and holocaust of the nation, usa under nixon for aiding the genocide, firing archer blood, and the preceding neocolonial dynamic where they let 500,000 people die from the cyclone, where they limited aid as a necropolitical decision. and india for the current neocolonialism
and their state for the failure to deliver on the war crime tribunals, for not wiping out the razakars, and for the awami league resistance which had purged communist factions during the genocide, and later became awash with corruption but perhaps we should be moral purists and critique the awami league for their decisions under operation searchlight just as you do with hamas. maybe bengali muslims are “gross and evil”. maybe pakistan didn’t do the genocide, and it was their own gross evil kin
“decolonized palestine might be a bad nation state” idgaf it’s a fucking ghetto who gaf “bangladesh should stop genociding and settler colonizing the CHT” so pakistan should have done a final solution? make bengalis go extinct? would that save the jumma people in the CHT from an ethnic cleansing that eerily mirrors a) kashmir b) west bank in an earlier stage c) balochistan d) chattisgarh e) manipur (the kuki-zo people?)
all while secular ‘socialist’ Nehru who fucked up the economy with the License Raj did a genocide in the Hyderabadi Deccan, invading a DECOLONIZED communist state that overthrew the Nizam and restructured Afaqi-dominated society, with peasant communes in their stead. All for him to purge the communes, slaughter Adivasi tribes and revolutionaries within Telangana, have the army complete the conquest of Hyderabad by any means necessary, murdering up to 100,000+ Dakhnis in the 1940s, lining up men
and shooting them in the head to put them in mass graves. Just like his socialist counterpart Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, they both suppressed the findings in the holocaust of Bangladesh and the invasion and genocide of the Deccan. Their incompetency literally exacerbated the nationalist sentiments bc they would argue that they were antitheist and wanted to destroy faith yadayada and then we have CIA cheering the military coup instating Zia-Ul-Haq and then the festering of nationalism in IN
Another thing I find concerning is that you flatten Islamist movements into a monolith. Yes secularism ideal but not all liberation theology is bad. Wholesale dismissal of the only forces protecting Shamis from bloodthirsty Israelis and Daeshi takfirists are movements like that. When you destroy every aspect of civil infrastructure, hope cannot live. So faith grounds if. Also if that is in Imam Shamil’s resistance against Tsarist Russia, that did horrific genocide against97% Circassian muslims
are Gilgit’s Shias, Shin and Balti, who were highlighted as threats to Zia-Ul-Haq’s majoritarian regime bc of being Shia (around the time of the Iranian Revolution, he feared uprisings from them or demands for more autonomy under a centralized govt with a military dictatorship that from time to time overthrows the govt or has them by a leash…bc they might also link Shia subaltern identity to class struggle and use populism to balkanize Pakistan) so he did a genocide in Gilgit-Baltistan.
muslims bleed so much under muslim leaders who serve capital too. Wahhabism & Salafism for that matter FOR SURE has roots from 2000 years ago. It has roots in interpretations from that long ago. I am not going to say that it’s completely foreign. What I will say is that the puppet regimes of the Hejaz and Khaleej are client regimes propped up after the PFLOAG and PDRY communist parties were purged and they artificially fomented tensions and funded Daeshi extremists to bring the la3nat of -
Ill put this in a very oversimplified way that doesn’t do justice to the situation but probably helps communicate my position. Pakistan is spiritually Israeli and far too many people in Pakistan and Bangladesh are spiritually like radical settlers who are far too comfortable with widespread religiously motivated lynchings.
- the death Khilafat as a curse upon all of West Asia, while they modernize their dystopian hellhole dictatorships built on land they displaced peripatetic Bedawi tribes from in violent ways. most of these funders are remnants of client regimes that were pliable and subservient to then British, now American & Israeli interests. The Trucial States were not granted independence, they were given to a money-hungry mortacracy. The vassalage and their flags of the Khaleej are a smokescreen.
ethnic cleansing in South Asia happened on both sides of Punjab and Kashmir. See Patiala, see KPS Gill, see the Dogra Raj’s Holocaust in Jammu (it was like Western Armenia under the Üç Paşalar). it was a recursive cycle of pyrrhic fratricide fomented by elites who wanted to secure a uniform national subject, so they did genocide by demographic engineering. Pakistan also funded mercenaries like how the RSS funded militias to kill up to and likely beyond 200,000+ Koshurs in the Princely state
You see, #6 is what I mean by this being downplayed and dismissed. According to #6… Islamic extremism: 🌈 “They had good reasons trust me!!!” 🧸 Hindu extremism: “It came from nothing but irrational hatred!!! No context or history here!! lalalalalalalalalala” 🙈 The crazy thing is how predictable and common this reaction is among otherwise intelligent people with good opinions. Its a baffling double standard where Islamic radicalism is excused, apologized for, and endlessly contextualized.
of J&K. Both sides let militias do horrific partition train massacres to homogenize both sides of the Radcliffe line carved in blood. From Amritsar to Lahore, Lahore to Amritsar, trains came back with bodies piled on top of each other. Lashkars were armed en masse by Pakistani elites in the British circlejerk, and they genocided Hindus and Sikhs from Mirpur, taking advantage of the rebellions against the Dogra Raj’s repressive tax impositions. JKLF made a negotiation of precarity to
-get funding, as India was doing mass dissapearances and serial rape and femicide, leaving Koshur women in mandirs btw, which is typical of an occupier. ‘Azad’ Kashmir for all its blackouts and massacres has a government; IOK does not hence why it is considered occupied plus open ur eyes in one village and boom—Do Lakh Fauj stationed. Checkpoints like the West Bank. Same for Hyderabad not being occ. Yes it was conquered, but Dakhnis aren’t living under racialized surveillance and occupation.
JKLF had a significant number of KP communists as well. But naturally PK hijacked the movement and infiltrated its base to make sure that this either ended in destabilizing India or acquiring the entirety of Kashmir. And then many of these takfirists perpetrated the pogroms and the 1990s exodus, giving an excuse for India to rationalize the bridge massacre it conducted in operative synchronicity.
Pakistan literally created the Taliban along with Saudi Arabia. This served Western Interests. They destroyed Afghanistan. Literally made it hell on earth for the Pashtuns. They also made the vacuum, which the U.S. played a greater role in, with the Muhajideen in the tri-encirclement of the budding state. But the functional proxies took the rein for the Taliban. And of course they persecute religious minorities, enable and facilitate conversion, pogroms.
Their biggest goal however is committing large scale genocidal massacres in the name of national security in Balochistan and KPK (Pashtuns). They consider Pashtun villages as collateral, the people as cannon fodder, and also a labor source to exploit and discard. Muslim identity doesn’t matter. They will leave mass graves regardless AND SELL THE RARE EARTH MINERALS TO U.S. IN THOSE LANDS FOR CHEAP…effectively reproducing neocolonial dynamic while simultaneously genociding multiple peoples.
Christians of Palestine are also indigenous. so are the Christians of Armenia, who have literally been massacred and displaced in the Nakba as well as the Israeli sieges of Libnan. The color revolution in Syria saw the fucking resurgence of DAESH, massacres of Syriac/Aramean/Ashuri/Assyrian Christians, Alawite Shias, Murshidis, Duruz (along with a a massive ethnic cleansing of Duruz), and the fall of Rojava. Daesh doesn’t pop out of nowhere.
muslims of Sham are indigenous too 😭😭😭 the admixture onlt differs slightly because Christians were more endogenous naturally and preserved older signatures. While many muslims passed through the levant, they were absorbed by a relatively stable genetic base. Metawalis were also Christian once too. The reason that they became Shia instead of Sunni was also because of resistance against the ruling caliphate, and the Jnoub always echoed that.
Maruni ethnonationalism exacerbated by the British and Americans in their invasion, they dressed up as Maronite, as Metawali, would come back side ears etc…while Marunis were also cutting off ears and did the genocide of Sabra and Shatila and Purge of the Tel El-Za3tar refugee camp w/the help of Israel. That’s what happens when Hezbollah disarms. But keep moralizing. Maruni grievances are real, but everyone knows that Hezbollah came as a result of Israeli invasion. the Jnoub would have been
colonized and already invaded, settled and genocided if not for Hezbollah in the first occupation of Southern Lebanon. If you blame Hezbollah for the wanton destruction and genocidal expansionism of Israel into Lebanon, idk what to say just look at Gaza. Armed resistance is a right. They could be better we could all be better but that’s all we got as a Sahyuni cancer cell metastasizes throughout the region
I did also want to say that India destroyed more churches in Manipur than ISIS did in its bloodbaths in Jezireh and Assyria/Sham. But it was not about religion, even though Hindutva is used to justify the actions of Meitei militants, including the rape of parading of naked Indigenous Meitei women as a “conquest”.
i contextualized both i actually think they’re both bad and that they’re both unnatural, driving wedges in communities that not recursively massacre each other. never did i say that the genocides of muslims were “irrational”. the reason they happened is clearly articulated. i just think its reactionary to exceptionalize islamism as a timeless and unique evil. there are actually times where religious groups in south asia inc. hindu ones have been conducive for national liberation.