Anonymous #1 4w

“Sorry tariffs made your cost of living go up, your family members deported to a max security prison, and your medicaid premiums went tripled, but I just couldn’t vote Kamala in good conscience with what’s happening in Gaza.”

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Anonymous OP 4w

Wait wait wait, you mean to tell me you’re out here wishing leftist went the extra mile to complete the revolution and are saying the answer was vote Kamala??

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Anonymous #1 4w

Maybe I’m not understanding your joke? I’m saying if leftists had any actual interest in fighting for what they believed in, they would have at least voted for Harris.

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Anonymous OP 4w

I wasn’t making a joke I was trying to understand. That brings me back to agreeing that 90% of leftists are performative and would rather be loud than actually do what they claim to preach

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Anonymous #1 4w

Okay I got it now😂

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Anonymous OP 4w

Leftist aren’t the reason that Harris lost & it’s stupid to blame them. When the Dems win liberals go see we don’t need dumb leftist & when the Dems lose liberals go F the dumb leftist for making us lose. Liberals just seem to hate leftist & like to scapegoat them

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Anonymous #5 4w

I think that there was a very noticeable and significant leftist media backlash against Biden and Harris this past election cycle that most definitely depressed voter turnout and flipped a key county, like with Dearborn, Michigan.

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Anonymous OP 4w

So you’re saying you think she lost Michigan because leftist and not because she had Bill Clinton & Ritchie Torres go to Michigan & tell Muslim communities that they are strong pro Israel so then need to get over Gaza & if they have family in the region everything is the fault of Hamas because Israel did nothing wrong but vote for us. It legit felt like she was trying to throw Michigan. She would be better of saying nothing then to send pro Israel people to tell the Muslim community that

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Anonymous #5 4w

They love Israel so they need to get over what’s happening in the region & possibly to their families. But you’re probably right & that didn’t play a role at all it was the fault of leftists surly the Muslim & Arab community in Michigan didn’t care about being lectured on how morally right Israel & their actions are but where brainwashed by leftists

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Anonymous #5 4w

When you have leftists that equate the two sides, saying “Yeah, Trump will be just as bad on Gaza as Harris.” It certainly doesn’t sway them back to voting for Kamala, that’s for sure. 🤷‍♂️

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Anonymous OP 4w

So again you’re saying that Hasan claiming Tump & Harris would both be pro genocide was the problem in Michigan & not Harris sending people to tell the Arab & Muslim community in Michigan that she will be pro genocide. Like you can’t be serious smh 🤦🏿

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Anonymous #5 4w

Being anti-Hamas =/= being pro genocide. You can want an israeli state without advocating for the oppression of Palestinians which is what dems and democratic voters agree on. Trump has never cared about Palestinians. There's the difference. People like you and Hasan want to blur that distinction. Y'all are equating any support less than a full destruction of Israel and an infinite right of return as being pro-genocide, which just isn't true.

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Anonymous OP 4w

That’s a huge lie & you know it. I didn’t say you have to like Hamas but the dems Harris sent to Michigan said they full support Israel & its actions, Israel is in the right, and that all the blame for Palestinians deaths & destruction is on Hamas idk how you can hear that & think that the Dems were somehow anti genocide & oppression of the Palestinians like please explain how that those views equal anti genocide in your mind. Also idk where you get full destruction of Israel from. Hasan or I

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Anonymous #5 4w

Have never said Israel & all of its inhabitants need to be destroyed that’s not even a popular opinion among the pro Palestinian movement. Again idk how saying Israel has my full support & is justified in all of its actions is somehow anti genocide & pro Palestine. Like if you don’t care at all about the genocide you can say that but no need to make things up

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Anonymous #5 4w

Israel’s actions were justified and not a genocide at the time if you can understand: 1. Israel broadly tried to limit civilian casualties by warning people in buildings and allowing aid (at the time). 2. Hamas used civilian infrastructure to hide militants, weapons, and operations to maximize civilian casualties. 3. Israel had a right to defend itself from terrorists.

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Anonymous OP 4w

You can disagree with their point of view (I would tend to agree with that view), but the point is that’s how most moderates felt about the conflict

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Anonymous OP 4w

Israel was committing a genocide at the time she was running. They were limiting aid. Also you’re lying about Israel trying to limiting civilians casualties. Would you claim that Russia given the Ukraines a 5 minute warning that they’re about to blow up their homes would make Russias actions okay? Also Israel repeatedly blew up aid trucks despite aid workers telling them their location so they knew there was no Hamas, they would bomb the “safe zones” that they told people to evacuate to, I mean

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Anonymous #5 4w

Hell look at the West Bank and what Israel has been doing their Hamas doesn’t even run the West Bank. Crazy that you claim Hamas was trying to maximize civilian casualties when the IDF has been documented using Palestinians as human shields, shooting their own hostages waving white flags of surrender & speaking Hebrew, using Palestinian kids to target practice. Like your statements are ridiculous given all the information at this point

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Anonymous #5 4w

Bro just say Facism is more cool and based than the Status Quo and be done with it.

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Anonymous #5 4w

Let’s zoom out for a moment: can you agree that what Trump is doing with the conflict right now is way worse than Biden?

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Anonymous OP 4w

look at our “leftists” in the US man 😔 “Israel had a right to defend itself from terrorists.” “Israel tried their best to warn them about the missiles🥺👉👈” those warning shots were often less than a minute from the actual strike. How do you still not see what the plan has been this whole time? Israel propped Hamas up instead of the PLO in Gaza so they could have their perfect enemy and casus belli to destroy the Palestinian people.

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Anonymous OP 4w

There are not enough principled leftists in the US to sway Kamala’s ticket. This is made evident by how little she cares to appeal to them. Hell, I voted for Kamala for harm reduction and hated it. The democrats will never get better because they know we’ll vote blue no matter who. That ultimately just pushes fascism down the line.

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Anonymous OP 4w

how little do you care to hear out your supposed ideological allies’ perspectives? there are probably three unironic dumbass leftist accelerationists that bothered to show up at the ballot box. nobody calling themselves a leftist, even you, would prefer fascism to the status quo. try to approach it with an ounce of good faith. maybe you’ll come to understand why tacit acceptance of a Neo-Fascist ethno-theocratic settler colony is a dealbreaker for most of your peers.

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Anonymous OP 4w

So under Biden Israel was doing a genocide but under Trump there is a genocide. Like do you want me to say Biden’s genocide was better? We’re literally talking about genocide.

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Anonymous #6 4w

Oh yeah, no, I’m social democrat. I like progressive policies, but if we’re going to actually fight facism, ALL of the left needs to be fighting these media battles against the right. There will be more progressive candidates the more the overton window shifts over time, but all of this infighting causes the unified right to gain power. If we can’t even win against a guy who literally tried to coup the government, we can’t even begin to talk about Gaza.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Says the pro Israel guy blaming Harris losing on leftist

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Anonymous #6 4w

Me? Use good faith? After the comment just boiled me down to strawmen? Even if Israel was literally 1940s Germany, I’d still vote for the party that didn’t wanna bring that shit here. It makes me wonder why leftists fight on it so much if not for accelerationist reasons🤔

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Anonymous OP 4w

I believe it’s from an assumed shared desire to improve the Democratic Party and persuade them to improve their platform. It’s a practical issue, not an extreme ideological split. And while I can understand some misplaced resentment toward your fellow leftists, instead of the party that failed to persuade the wider vote base to vote for them, I think it’s unproductive and trite atp to continue blaming and yelling at your peers for an understandable response to democratic inaction.

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Anonymous #6 4w

We can have these conversations, and we should right now. But once the candidate is picked, we need to support them. Not on every issue, obviously. But if we can’t stand unified under our candidate in election season, we will lose to republicans. Every. Single. Time. The infighting that happened last election cycle was egregious from left-wing media platforms and pundits. All the while, Trump got his cock cleaned by every alt right media figure, and mainstream was too scared to appear biased.

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Anonymous #5 4w

So Israel under Biden was just as bad as under Trump? You’re delusional.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Israel was doing a genocide under Biden, under Trump Israel is still doing a genocide. Like what part of genocide bad always do you not understand? Are you trying to do a genocide Tier list or something? Was the genocide under Biden more palatable for you? Is your argument that under Biden the genocide was okay

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