Anonymous smithereen 6d

Not a justification. Nor should there be political violence like this against people expressing opinions. Would you say the same about MLK?

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Anonymous smithereen 6d

It’s gotten demonstrably worse, thanks

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Anonymous #2 6d

Why are we comparing MLK to Charlie Kirk😭😭😭😭😭😭

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Anonymous OP 6d

Yeah because of people like Kirk

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Anonymous smithereen 6d

Kirk was actually an advocate for civil disagreement and civil debate. Which we all should be. Nothing he did or said advocated for or justifies his death. You are ridiculous

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Anonymous OP 6d

He literally insisted that black people were inferior

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Anonymous smithereen 6d

I personally think he’s a piece of shit who said very outlandish shit. But guess what. He’d let you come up to his face and call him out to his face.

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Anonymous smithereen 6d

And what the fuck does that have to do with anything I just said? Should he have been killed for that?

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Anonymous OP 6d

Yes, because instigating conflict made him his money and platform. He was cynical and should be a warning about grifters not a martyr for the first amendment

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Anonymous OP 6d

I’m saying he was a horrible human being who helped create the violence that ultimately killed him. “some people need to die for the second amendment”

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Anonymous smithereen 6d

So if people react extremely poorly to your verbal views does that make you instigating conflict?

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Anonymous #2 6d

If your views are “I think this group of people are inferior to me” yeah you’re an instigator and a piece of shit cry all you want

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Anonymous smithereen 6d

Hey so everything he said was protected speech. He was killed for protected speech, which you are not justifying. You are the piece of shit and my god you’re wayyy too far left. Come back to the rest of us in the rational left please and think with your head not your emotions

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Anonymous smithereen 6d

Haven’t seen him say that, but that doesn’t justify it. If you want to say expression leads to violence in some cases you need to own up that it could happen to happen to you too if someone doesn’t like your views.

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Anonymous OP 6d

All speech is protected unless it’s violent threats which his followers and associates made plenty of

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Anonymous OP 6d

I am also a moderate leftist I just don’t spend time whining that someone made a mean meme about a guy who basically rotted our democracy from the inside out

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Anonymous smithereen 6d

Stating opinions does not equivocate to violence.

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Anonymous smithereen 6d

Extremists always think they’re moderate

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Anonymous #2 6d

I’m not even a communist bro calm your titties

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Anonymous smithereen 6d

What’s going to happen when someone takes your opinion as threat and decides to themselves because they think they’re rational that you gotta go for it?

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Anonymous #2 6d

I wonder why there was a marked uptick in racist violence after we elected Trump

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Anonymous smithereen 6d

Because people take advantage of environments they feel they aren’t as in danger of. And if you’re getting the uptick it means those attacks were reported and people arrested.

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Anonymous #2 6d

The hottest take I have is “we should provide more for citizens and not bomb kids in 3rd world countries.” If someone takes offense to that it says more about them than it does me Kirk was also killed by a conservative. It’s not MUH LEFTIST VIOLENCE

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Anonymous smithereen 6d

You’re wayyy further left than me to the extent you’re irrational and thinking only with emotions and how Kirk made you FEEL, rather than of the ramifications of justifying his assassination. I’d recommend you take a step back and consider this in a broader societal context

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Anonymous smithereen 6d

That’s not the point. The point is anyone can interpret anything however way they want and they shouldn’t be allowed to shoot someone if they feel like it. Kirk’s shooter was not a conservative, he was literally argumentative to his parents who were registered reps, and one of his friends recalled him sharing left-wing viewpoints.

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Anonymous smithereen 6d

Well bc of his devicive rhetoric clearly. Which the left also engages in (calling everybody they disagree w a fascist) and also contributes to the political climate of our country. Trump is heating up the pot and we’re actively stirring it

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Anonymous OP 6d

Reminds me of this image

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Anonymous #3 6d

And so he should’ve been killed? He was a piece of shit. He should also still be alive

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Anonymous OP 6d

You aren’t a leftist you’re a republican in a different outfit if you think the government that is deporting people for things they say online is not fascist

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Anonymous OP 6d

“being far left is when you say things that I don’t like”

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Anonymous OP 6d

He promoted violence but you only care if the one promoting violence dies

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Anonymous smithereen 6d

See this is why you’re losing the big game. All you do is push people out, and mind you the air will feel freezing when you’re on fire.

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Anonymous #2 6d

meanwhile republicans have been saying immigrants are eating cats and dogs and then acting clueless about racial violence and bias hmmmm

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Anonymous #2 6d

I’m in a self victimized contest and my opponent is a conservative 😢

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Anonymous smithereen 6d

Really that only happens at least one year ago. Hadn’t heard that rhetoric since before the election. Not sure how relevant that is lol you’re just avoiding things now

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Anonymous #2 6d

The Republican platform is promoting violence to an out group (currently trans people)

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Anonymous smithereen 6d

I’m a leftist. My parents are leftists. We are just rational and think with our brains and not our emotions. You should try it and many others should too. Maybe take a few classes in media literacy while you’re at it🙏

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Anonymous #2 6d

People push themselves out by taking the sides of and apologizing for racists. Sorry, I am not going to explain to you why you shouldn’t care about the guy who said black women have low IQs.

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Anonymous #2 6d

Literally before we knew anything about the shooter republicans were saying they were gonna kill trans people until they saw the guy was a straight white cis man

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Anonymous smithereen 6d

Yes no shit. They’re part of the problem. A big part. Hell Trump actively contributes and he’s the PRESIDENT. So can you now see how our political climate is getting out of hand? How both sides are generalizing about the other?

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Anonymous smithereen 6d

When did he ever say that lol? Don’t be stupid, you don’t know what anything means you just want to throw people off at the faintest smell. You’re conditioned to hate things that other people tell you to hate. Open-mindedness does not mean agreeing, it just means listening. I can guarantee you don’t listen to anything before pushing people away. Time to fix that, because your party is only cutting people off.

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Anonymous #3 6d

Is incitement a capital crime? If you’d like vigilante justice, feel free to move to the 3rd world.

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Anonymous OP 6d

I don’t promote poltical violence I just think it’s dumb to martyr a racist who wanted to bail out a different poltical assassin, delete the civil rights act, and for women to lose individuality

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Anonymous OP 6d

Also he was killed by a neo nazi, so idk why you pint fingers at me

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Anonymous #3 6d

I don’t disagree. His views were harmful and outdated. His views shouldn’t be celebrated, neither should he. But he should also still be alive. His death should not actively be being justified on social media. Nothing he did or said should have got him killed, just condemned as the piece of shit he was.

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Anonymous OP 6d

Not everyone is saying he should be dead but they mostly just don’t care that he’s dead cause of the harm he brought. That’s what you don’t get you are so focused on his death you can’t comprehend the harm he has left. Because of him and people like him, even tho it was a neo Nazi that killed him people are wanting to kill people on the left for literally doing shit they have done themselves for years

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Anonymous OP 6d

The right has joked and mocked the deaths of murders of others for years now but now that a racist is dead and people laugh it’s the biggest issue to you people. Republicans in congress were threatening to kill trans people out of no where but are now silent when the shooter was a straight white cis man

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Anonymous #3 6d

“You people”, dude I’m a democrat. Just not an extremist. Quite frankly the reaction from the left has been disgusting. Yes there’s the portion that just doesn’t feel bad. And I get that. I don’t necessarily feel bad, he was not a good person for our society. The portion that’s problematic is the people who laughed at it, who justified it. We can’t have that

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Anonymous #3 6d

And Boebert and MTG are fucking nut jobs but we shouldn’t extrapolate that to the entire right bc them and their far right block aren’t an accurate representation of the entire right. Sadly I’m now having to make that same argument ab the left. Not everyone on the left is justifying or celebrating this

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Anonymous OP 6d

I’m not even right wing either, I don’t identify with political parties, but what the hell man this is a terrible precedent to set for the future in terms of freedom of speech/expression. Even if Kirk is no MLK, he is going to be treated like a martyr, and I am almost certain there will be some form of movement.

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Anonymous OP 6d

Yeah my “you people” applies, you are a middle ground “both sides are bad” type. There are literal Neo Nazis running around but ya let’s act like weirdos making distasteful memes about a dead racists are the problem. You can’t act like you have a moral highground when you are outspoken about protecting the dignity of a racist when the hospital he was at was surrounded by racists chanting war cry “white men fight back”

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Anonymous #2 6d

Yeah a Neo Nazi kills a racist and now the left is demonized. That makes sense

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Anonymous #3 6d

No no you spread the rhetoric of calling people Nazis and now the consequences are finally coming up. Not my fault I have to sit and watch people eat each other alive for things they think of each other without even speaking to each other.

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Anonymous #3 6d

Both sides are guilty, but don’t act like the left was the innocent baby

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Anonymous #2 6d

The shooter was a Neo Nazi, specifically gyroper, look up the memes on his bullets. It was right on right violence. Like how right wing hold a monopoly on political violence

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Anonymous #3 6d

Lmao the memes are your evidence? What about actual family members and people close to him?

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Anonymous #3 6d

How do they define their terms, and why do you think this makes your case any better?

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Anonymous #3 6d

Protecting his dignity? No? This isn’t about him. This about the ramifications of normalizing political violence or justifying killing talking heads we don’t agree with. Everything you’re saying is a normative statement.

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Anonymous #2 6d

Nobody on the left shot him, vast majority of political violence and incitement is right wing. Ofc both sides have violent extremism but one side actively encourages it

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Anonymous OP 6d

It’s been normalized man, two months ago two dem lawmakers were shot and killed in their homes and republicans laughed and Trump said Walz was crazy and it would be a waste to reach out to him about it

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Anonymous #3 6d

Debatable considering the media rhetoric over the last decade

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Anonymous #2 6d

Yeah the memes inscribed on the damn bullets he used numb nuts. Look up Nick Fuentes he was actively anti Kirk and has a radical base

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Anonymous #2 6d

Yeah the media that calls leftist violent radicals, that demonizes anyone who says racism is bad. That says “dei is destroying the country” that media

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Anonymous #3 6d

I know. I saw the memes, those are so common bro. Now why would he have Bela Caio which is an anti-fascist Italian piece?

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Anonymous #3 6d

Yes okay so we have here. The rights partisan media- generalized the left or people the left supports as terrorists, satanists, criminals, devoid of god or morality, etc. The lefts partisan media- generalizes the right as all fascists, all nazis, so on and so forth. The real problem is divisive rhetoric and purposeful polarization by our partisan media

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Anonymous #2 6d

Yeha it was but you should stay in touch with how Nazis work. They trademarked stealing other cultures imagery and art and perverting it into mouthpieces for their hate. It’s also common for them to commit acts of violence and pin it on an out group to incite further violence. Again I encourage you look further into Nick Fuentes and his group. They are literally Neo Nazis with a mic and booth

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Anonymous #3 6d

The media that says “dowe both have to come out alive?” when asked what someone would do if they were stuck in an elevator with a member of the GOP, or the one that glorifies assassinations, calls anyone remotely with an alternative view on anything political a racist, doxes people to lose their jobs, applies “nazi” to anyone with any right-wing viewpoint and repeats that they should be killed? Yeah that media

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Anonymous #3 6d

That was by one side, it’s now being normalized by the other. This is not okay. This can’t be the reality of modern civil society.

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Anonymous #2 6d

Here’s the thing point to a major leader on the left glorifying the assassination. They don’t they either thoughts and prayers or speak about gun violence. Meanwhile the right looooves violence, they were itching to exterminate trans people over this but can’t cause they had nothing to do with it. They were making up lies on the fly to try and pin it on trans people but they were all faked

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Anonymous #3 6d

“They”. They don’t exist. That’s an abstract group of people that you cannot quantify. You don’t have the specifics, and that’s the problem. You put it on anyone. These are obviously high profile people who have been outraged and put it out immaturely on others. If “they” were all eager to do so they would’ve done worse by now.

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Anonymous #2 6d

That’s not radicalization works, there’s has to be some twisted logic behind the actions they take or they lose all support. It’s how the Nazis came to power in Germany they made bullshit reasons to hate Jewish people, just like how republicans are trying to push trans hatred. If it was a trans shooter that killed Kirk hate crimes would spike so fast, I’m chiense hate crimes during Covid fast.

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Anonymous #3 6d

Yea that’s usually what happens after something really bad happens and people find someone or some group to blame.

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Anonymous #2 6d

Yeah… that’s what I said. They were trying to pin it on trans people so they could promote violence. But after the shooter was revealed to be some white guy they still tried to blame trans people. Like the New York post making up a bullshit tabloid about the shooter having a trans partner/roomate which was made up

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Anonymous #3 6d

Death penalty is still being pursued for the guy too lol. Justice served either way, although I don’t like death penalty.

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Anonymous #2 6d

Yeha I think the death penalty and solitary confinement are unconstitutional but that’s a different topic if discussion

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Anonymous OP 6d

One side both commits and normalizes violence on a large scale. The other mocks the death of one of the people who promoted violence. Side two is evil apparently

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