Anonymous #2 15w

Most people definitely did not and when I tell laypeople I have legal theories about how to abolish slavery without an amendment, I am consistently met with shock and confusion that slavery is still allowed in the United States. If you learned this in middle school, you were exceptionally fortunate in that regard.

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what a dumbass assumption 😂 bold of you to think US public schools' curriculums universally cover the slavery exception in the constitution. you realize some people are taught the "Lost Cause" narrative - which is pseudohistorical mythology - as historical fact, right? unfortunately all your learning didn't make you any less insufferable

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Anonymous #6 15w

the phrasing is an inclusive or, either one applies

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Anonymous #7 15w

While true, what happens in prisons would be involuntary servitude

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Anonymous #6 15w

perhaps, but this still leaves a form of slavery legal

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Anonymous #6 15w

involuntary servitude is slavery bud 😂

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Anonymous #5 15w

Well its not

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Anonymous #6 15w

it’s slavery lite

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Anonymous #6 15w

may as well have said "not slavery, a specific form of slavery"

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Anonymous #6 15w

It literally is little bro

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 15w

I mean its literally not, they’re very different in function and execution “Ermmm actually they’re the same thing because they both facilitate forced labor 🤓”

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Anonymous #6 15w

Compulsory military service is slavery too.

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 15w

Making your child wash dishes is slavery

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Anonymous #6 15w

the term slavery doesn't apply to children being compelled to do domestic labor by their parents

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Anonymous #5 15w

haven’t you heard? As long as its sorta kinda close enough you can just say they’re the same

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Anonymous #5 15w

Someone never taking the initiative to read one of the most important documents in the country they live in is somehow the fault of the school system? Seems like that’s just a lazy individual

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Anonymous #6 15w

Why are you such a fucking idiot?

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Anonymous #8 15w

This is a hate crime btw

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Anonymous #9 15w

as if work is somehow a privilege lmfao

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Anonymous _orangutan 15w

Payment for work is a privilege. Which is why it’s denied to criminals (or at least very very low)

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Anonymous #9 15w

a wage is what separates wage slavery (work) from other forms of slavery. when that wage is denied then it’s just carceral slavery

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Anonymous #6 15w

Oi where did the idiot who claimed the US normalized child slavery and abuse go? I was writing a scathing response regarding their intelligence for them

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Anonymous _orangutan 15w

Yes. That is the case that this amendment considers when applied to justly convicted persons. Thus criminals work to repay society for their crimes while not being rewarded financially.

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Anonymous #9 15w

child abuse is normal and legal in the US. children and researchers alike make no differentiation between spanking a child and abusing them, why? because functionally there is no difference and do you really want to write a scathing response as representatives pushed for relaxed child labor laws?

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Anonymous #9 15w

useless idiot, the owners don’t even need you, you just parrot their slop

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Anonymous #9 15w

a wage is not a reward, it’s compensation for the time and labor necessary for work. unless of course you believe that we should all be slaves, and that wages are somehow a privilege. are you white by chance?

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Anonymous #6 15w

i mean... if we go by strict academic terms, there are virtually no slaves in existence, despite there being millions of people obviously living as slaves

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Anonymous _orangutan 15w

IT WAS YOU!!! You were the one I was looking for! Too scared to keep your first response up? Or were you afraid you’d get LAMBASTED because of it?

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Anonymous #9 15w

i didn’t like the argument i made. idk why you feel the need to defend slavery and child abuse all on the same thread though

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Anonymous _orangutan 15w

Fair point. Let’s address your claims one at a time. How am I defending slavery?

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Anonymous #9 15w

“Payment for work is a privilege” are you actually fucking crazy

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Anonymous #11 15w

“a right or benefit given to some people but not others” according to Marian Webster. Since payment for work is denied to some prisoners, I am technically correct in my statement.

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Anonymous #6 15w

Teaching your child life skills is not slavery sweetie 🤦🏾‍♀️

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Anonymous _orangutan 15w

Idk about you pal but I’m not OK with my tax dollars being used to pay for John Pedophile’s 7.25$ an hour rate for stamping out license plates. Do you want your taxes to be used to pay murdurers, molesters, and rapists?

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Anonymous #9 15w

We want employer’s revenue to be used to pay workers. It’s not complicated.

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Anonymous #9 15w

my taxes already pay genocidaires and child traffickers, and they’re elected by poor sops like you. they’d pay the rapist in chief too if he actually took the salary. fortunately for you ig, he has plenty of workers beneath him to exploit, only financially though not necessarily sexually, though i’m sure he does that still too

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Anonymous #9 15w

and idc what you think. workers are entitled to living wages. knowing what you should know about the American legal system, it is deeply flawed and biased against Black people and poor people. the only reason the amendment has that exception was to continue to permit slavery to exist, even after it was allegedly abolished

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Anonymous #9 15w

That quite literally is what your taxes are doing now with this administration

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Anonymous #9 15w

and private prisons (lol) use enslaved inmate labor as a means of cutting costs, because plot twist… paying a person who cannot unionize, has no legal right to vote, and is held against their will, a sub-minimum wage is cheaper than paying a non-incarcerated worker the minimum wage

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 15w

Even if those workers are, as I stated before, rapists, molesters, and murderers?

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Anonymous _orangutan 15w

Alright. I hear your point but I do not agree with it nor have I found you to present an argument that would change my mind. Since you don’t care what I think it’s pointless to continue talking with you. Thanks for your time.

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Anonymous #9 15w

Yes. If they’re doing work, they get paid. Simple as.

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 15w

It seems we have a fundamental disagreement about criminal work and pay. Their crimes have indebted them to society, and their work is their way of repaying that debt. I believe the writers of the 13th amendment shared this view. I respect your convictions about just treatment for prisoners, but I don’t think this conversation will go anywhere productive.

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Anonymous #12 15w

In context of the aforementioned amendment, this would only be the case if the figures were “duly convicted” which they have not been. Thus you’re presenting a false equivalence.

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Anonymous #11 15w

You’re FORCING then to work against their will and without adequate pay, should honestly be illegal

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 15w

I don’t know where you went to school but it was part of the American history curriculum at mine. We were tested on ts in middle school. Isn’t everyone else? Like I get it if you live in Florida, Mississippi, or Alabama, but I feel like most states probably cover this at some point

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I am becoming painfully aware of the lack of civic and history knowledge in this country. 🫩

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Anonymous #6 15w

It’s not even a long read either, the Communist Manifesto is longer than the Constitution and you could finish that in an afternoon handily

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Anonymous #13 15w

Cops and judges target minorities more frequently, and there’s more prisons in areas with more minorities. Prisons torture their prisoners, increasing the rate of recidivism. Thus, our prison industrial complex is literally modern slavery. So for-profit prisons, prison labor, police brutality, the illegality of marijuana, the cruelty of prisons, the school to prison pipeline. It’s all connected.

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Anonymous #6 15w

again, setting aside your petty sarcasm, by strict academic definitions there are virtually no slaves in existence, despite many obviously living as slaves

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Anonymous _orangutan 15w

Work isn’t the privilege it’s the debt owed to society.

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