Anonymous #4 17w

This has been a popular talking point since 2020 and debunked so many times when are y‘all gonna learn.

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Anonymous #5 17w

source? hope ur not saying systemic racism is making all these crimes happen

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Anonymous #1 17w

wait what

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Anonymous #4 17w

poverty

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Anonymous #6 17w

socioeconomic factors:

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Anonymous #4 17w

what exactly is the point you are trying to make? are you denying the existence of redlining, generational wealth disparities, sentencing disparities, wrongful convictions, etc?

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Anonymous #6 17w

I was pretty clearly responding to your claim that poverty/wealth disparity is causing the disproportionate amount of crime seen. If u wanna talk about a different potential cause please do but I fail to see how that slew of buzzwords was your conclusion from the data provided

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Anonymous #4 17w

they aren’t buzzwords, they are documented trends that you apparently haven’t looked into

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Anonymous #4 17w

Look up the "Racial Invariance" Thesis (Sampson & Wilson, 1995). They proved that when whites and blacks live under the exact same socioeconomic conditions (economic deprivation and social isolation), their behavioral adaptations are the same

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Anonymous #4 17w

your graph is just evidence of the effects of redlining

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Anonymous #6 17w

No way redlining causes that much of a disparity. You seem to be suggesting the rates should be the same right? So that would mean ~75% (being generous here) of those homocides were wrongful convictions of black americans. That’s your implication.

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Anonymous #4 17w

just look up the study

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Anonymous #6 17w

I alr did and I assumed the arguments of the study to be true when i said “you seem to be suggesting the rates should be the same…” then discussed the implication of that but u don’t seem to wanna talk about it. have a nice day

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Anonymous #4 17w

Yeah and the study shows that the rates would be the same if white people faced the same level of economic suppression and isolation from the rest of society as black people have

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Anonymous #4 17w

I don’t hate you for your argument and am willing to have a discussion about it. It is just difficult because it is hurtful to hear people be labeled as more violent when that isn’t true. All people want to find safety and prosperity for their families and children regardless of skin color. And redlining was extreme and still goes on today. They found that real estate agents are still less likely to show black families homes in safer neighborhoods.

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Anonymous #4 17w

The data you showed applies to homicide victimization rates too. The highest earning black families are victims of violence at greater rates than the poorest white families, which means that even if they increase their economic standing, they are still more likely to be victims of violence. That is the proof of redlining

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Anonymous #6 17w

I am not denying that redlining exists, it does and has. All I am saying is that redlining alone cannot account for that large of a discrepancy it must be something else. Lets say we assume in reality, the rates should be the same, that would mean the %’s in the black category are inflated to be ~6 times higher than the white category. 100 - (100/6) = ~83% so that would imply black are wrongfully convicted 83% of the time which is incredibly improbable.

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Anonymous #4 17w

^ this also assumes whites are wrongfully convicted 0% of the time which would never be true for any race. I’m not trying to be hurtful or inflammatory (aside from my first 13/50 comment ig), I’m trying to rationalize my stance. I don’t think black ppl are inherently violent due to the color of their skin, in my opinion it’s a culture problem more than an economic or racial one.

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Anonymous #4 17w

Well I appreciate you explaining and I get what you are saying. I don’t think wrongful convictions are responsible for most of the discrepancy, just some. I would assume that disparate sentencing plays a bigger role than wrongful convictions, with redlining playing the biggest role. I don’t disagree with your point that culture plays a big role, but i think that that culture has been heavily shaped by economic and social discrimination.

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Anonymous #4 17w

It seems we are more on the same page than I originally assumed though cause I thought you were arguing that black people are more violent because of their skin. I think I get what you mean now tho

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