Anonymous vintage_trampler 15w

I agree that greedy rich people are stealing from everyone, but I don’t see how you can believe that while also believing that people wouldn’t do crimes if their basic needs were met.

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Anonymous OP 15w

The argument isn’t people wouldn’t ever commit crimes, it’s that many crimes are conditionally driven by societal factors. There would be a decrease in the crimes we currently deem top priority in risk if the social conditions weren’t there. Ex: gang violence wouldn’t be a huge issue if the social factors pushing people to join gangs didn’t exist (need for physical security and financial security, filling void of family support that doesn’t exist due to severe financial strains/inequality etc)

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Anonymous og_beer 15w

Gang violence would still exist the same way war still exists.

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Anonymous og_beer 15w

There is no standard of living at which people won’t rationalize their own crime and corruption. Is joining a gang and killing people due to socioeconomic conditions morally equivalent to stealing a loaf of bread? If so, how many people does a gang member have to kill before it becomes unjustified in your eyes?

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Anonymous og_beer 15w

It seems to me like this leads to a situation where any number of crimes is justifiable as long as the criminal is sufficiently marginalized.

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Anonymous og_beer 15w

In turn creating and facilitating the activities of a criminal underclass that perpetually and indiscriminately wreaks havoc on the social order until their demands, some of which may be legitimate and others illegitimate, are met.

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Anonymous og_beer 15w

Are you just assuming all of their demands will be legitimate even though no other class of people on the planet is without greed and corruption?

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Anonymous OP 15w

No amount of big words will change the fact that you did not do your research

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Anonymous #3 15w

Lol are you being fr? What part of my post is contradicted by the research?

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Anonymous OP 15w

Quite literally your entire argument, and again, if you put in the effort, you will find studies showing the opposite POV

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Anonymous #3 15w

There are studies that show people don’t commit crimes when their basic needs are met?

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Anonymous OP 15w

*less*. The keyword is LESS. But yes. Hundreds if not thousands. If you knew how to read you’d know that

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Nice strawman I love those

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Anonymous og_beer 15w

Did I say *less*?

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Anonymous OP 15w

Nice deleting the comment knowing you were wrong and making another completely strawman around semantics I love those too

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Anonymous og_beer 15w

The reason you think gangs and gang violence aren’t a huge issue past a basic standard of material conditions is because after a certain point it becomes private equity and hostile takeovers.

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Anonymous og_beer 15w

I deleted the comment because it was no longer necessary as an elaboration, since you already brought up the precise linguistic dispute I was trying to illustrate.

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Anonymous OP 15w

You’re like. So close to making an educated sentence that actually makes sense but then take a hard left and wrap yourself around the idiot tree

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Anonymous og_beer 15w

My point is that material conditions obviously don’t correlate with morality. Any correlation you’re trying to point out is only a correlation with legality, which only serves to demonstrate that we criminalize the sins of the marginalized more than the privileged, not that the marginalized will become more moral under different material conditions.

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Anonymous OP 15w

……………..yes? That’s the whole point? Yet…you’re arguing against it…?

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Anonymous og_beer 15w

No, I’m restating what I’ve been saying. You’re just agreeing with it now because I used buzzwords you like

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Anonymous OP 15w

Words used across research and academia aren’t buzzwords just because you only engage with them on Facebook

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Anonymous og_beer 15w

They are definitionally buzzwords.

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Anonymous og_beer 15w

You clearly aren’t here in good faith. You just want to feel morally superior.

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Anonymous OP 15w

Absolutely no one believes that crime can be 100% resolved. This isn’t Utopia

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Anonymous #3 15w

Bukele did it by >95%

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Anonymous #3 15w

Just by locking up all the repeat criminals

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