Anonymous #2 20h

No bc he is not a German nationalists and not fascist because they are not led by a dictator with an economy lead under a corporatist model and their is no major irredentist claims which we are attempting to fight for

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Anonymous #1 20h

They also don’t control the trains or flow of commerce.

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Anonymous #3 20h

I mean they can. It’s just getting embarrassing at this point every time it’s done.

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Anonymous #2 20h

Fascist Italy didn’t control commerce the corporate syndicates did

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Anonymous #2 20h

Still not Nazis at all…

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Anonymous #3 20h

True.

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Anonymous #1 20h

I’m making a Barbie joke. But point granted for historical accuracy.

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Anonymous #2 20h

Neo-fascists technically

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Anonymous #4 20h

Trump isn’t an ultranationalist bc he is fucking his nation over at the expense of other nations,

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Anonymous #3 20h

We can when they build concentration camps

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Anonymous #4 20h

Not concentration camps based off racial identity just conducting deportations like how every other country does while still funding mass migration so billionaires can get cheap labor

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Anonymous #1 20h

Bruh in national syndicalism corporate syndicate are a state structure

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Anonymous #1 20h

Wierd way to justify Nazi shit

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Anonymous .gaia. 20h

Yeah ik, corporate syndicate doesn’t mean corporations totally control everything since in fascism corporate leaders are forced to have strict loyalty to the state and the fascist party

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Anonymous #4 20h

I’m not justifying it at all, it is still bad but not Nazi shit, same way ghengis khan, and Netanyahu are not Nazis, but still very bad

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Anonymous #1 20h

Netanyahu knows not of what you speak. Netanyahu only holds his poker face gaze. Cards held close. Not smiling… not not smiling… awaiting for you to give your first tell of the cards you hold.

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Anonymous #1 20h

Well, following that; to say fascist Italy didn’t control commerce is at best misleading

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Anonymous #1 20h

That’s not what defines an ultranationalist. Hitler also screwed over the German people. Fascism treats no one but elites well

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Anonymous #2 19h

He still isn’t a fascist he is a genocidal leader mascarading as the leader of democracy in the Middle East, but he doesn’t have anywhere nesr total control over Israel unlike how every other fascist leader in history had over their nations

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Anonymous #1 19h

some historians and sociologists dedicated their entire lives to understanding and defining the common traits of fascism in order for us to be able to recognize it during its rising periods, just for anti-intellectual children who sympathize with the fascists in question to hyper-fixate on a single one of those traits, IF THAT tldr: you’re infuriating as fuck, and downplaying or siding with the fascists won’t save you in the long run.

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Anonymous .gaia. 19h

Quality of life improved and unemployment. In Germany improved a lot before the war, however he never intentionally made life worse since Weimar Republic was already dogshit, but what he did screw over was anyone who disagreed with him

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Anonymous #6 19h

I’m not siding with them or down playing them, I am stating the definition of the ideology and how this doesn’t line up, you are the one downplaying it by comparing USA domestic policy to fascist regimes

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Anonymous #6 19h

Social democracy is the moderate wing and precursor to fascism as well, Stalin himself said that

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Anonymous .gaia. 19h

Fascist Italy wasn’t fully national syndicalist

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Anonymous .gaia. 19h

Meant to say the fascist government directly my bad

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but you understand the point tho (the concern about fascism and how he is scapegoating vulnerable minority groups) right?

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Anonymous #7 19h

He isn’t a fascist though nor a Nazi, fascism isn’t when racism, he is just a shitty leader

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Anonymous #1 19h

sure, I think we are just getting caught up in semantics. I think it’s accurate to compare rise of fascism in Nazi Germany to rise of fascism in the US, but i agree that it wouldn’t be accurate to call it the exact same ideology with the same historical context

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Anonymous #7 19h

It’s very shitty comparison, trump doesn’t directly target ethnic groups for extermination nor is he following any of the core principles of fascism, and Hitler was dictator near one year after he was chancellor, trump has been president for a sum of 6 years and still isn’t

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Anonymous #7 19h

It isn’t semantics it’s just how words work

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Anonymous #1 19h

What are the core principles of fascism in your opinion? Want to make sure we have an agreement on definitions before we argue because otherwise it won’t go anywhere

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Anonymous #1 19h

People literally do just have different understandings of social constructs because they are not concrete/definite things

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Anonymous #7 19h

They are concrete things, fascism is an ideology following principles created by Giovanni gentle and Benito Mussolini, it is just that some people have a false understanding

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Anonymous #7 19h

You are literally turning words into useless sounds with no meaning in favor of subjectivity

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Anonymous #1 19h

did you read my first comment

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Anonymous #1 19h

what are the core principles of fascism in your view?

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Anonymous #1 19h

is your goal to communicate and reach an understanding or just to be right? bc i am confused. I just feel frustrated bc i feel like I am operating in good faith and you are seemingly just contradicting what I am saying without truly considering it. I don’t want to just “win” this argument or make you feel dumb, i am just trying to explain other people’s perspective and why they do see a connection between fascist ideology in nazi germany and rising fascism in this country

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Anonymous #1 19h

If you want to argue that targeting political opposition isn’t a core component of fascism, please make your case

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Anonymous #1 19h

By what metric? It was Mussolini’s own brain child

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Anonymous #7 19h

Objectively according to the principles of fascism written by Giovanni gentile (the founder of the ideology) and later agreed upon by Mussolini, the core principles are a corporatist state, ultranationalist, loyalty to the state and the leader is a requirement, dissent is not tolerated, highly expansionist, militaristic with the military being the core aspect of the states power,

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Anonymous #8 19h

It is but it isn’t the only requirement and it isn’t targeting with lawsuits nor cancellation of programs

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Anonymous #7 19h

I’m trying to communicate how comparing him to Nazis or other fascist leaders is inaccurate and unproductive and that we should be criticizing him for his support for cronyism, pedophilia, and disregard for the general population

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Anonymous .gaia. 19h

Nah it was mostly a Spanish thing

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Anonymous .gaia. 19h

Mussolini abandoned it pretty quickly

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Anonymous #4 18h

they did. alligator alcatraz.

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that’s one way to say “i am a modern day mitläufer”

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Anonymous #2 18h

Yes. And if you think your pointless minutae disproves the larger point, that says something about you.

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Anonymous OP 18h

Not ethnic targetted nor are internment camps even sufficient to consider a nation fascist, same way fdr wasn’t fascist despite Japanese interment camps

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Anonymous #1 18h

you assume quite a lot of things about how I view FDR and the federal government’s response to pearl harbor also, “not ethnic targeted” go in there and just note the percentages

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Anonymous OP 18h

No I don’t support fascism or liberal democracy doesn’t mean I am too stupid to recognize differences,

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Anonymous OP 18h

That’s bc 90% of people here illegally are Hispanic, not targetted just the way things worked out

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Anonymous #1 18h

babe, please google what a mitlaufer even IS before spamming your political compass. This one’s a universal term regardless of personal politics.

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Anonymous OP 18h

Eh, I know you won’t do it. Here. Definition: A Mitläufer is someone who gave in to peer pressure, conformed to social norms, or passively accepted Nazi policies out of fear, career opportunism, indifference, or social conformity rather than deep ideological conviction.

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Anonymous OP 18h

I’m not going along with trump or anybody to conform, I just think that being a corrupt pedophile is enough of a problem without throwing the label of fascism on him

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Anonymous OP 18h

Ik it means with walker,

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Anonymous #1 18h

And how do you respond to that? Do you wake up, every day? Pay your price at the pump? Go to your silly meaningless job? Get your groceries? Sleep again? Do you protest? Do you call in phone banks? Do you turn your opposition into ACTION? I already know the answer. And that is what makes you a mitlaufer.

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Anonymous #1 18h

Then what exactly is consolidating executive power and desecrating intellectualism in favor of hypernationalism? Please tell me what ideology this aligns with. We can go down the list if you’re still confused about what fascism is.

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Anonymous #1 18h

Oh, with a healthy dose of tone-policing those who are actually taking action. Very mitlaufery, that one. Just conform brooooo who needs all that provocative language

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Anonymous #1 18h

So, it’s not 90%. It’s 75%. PEW did a whole study on it. So it NINETY percent of the incarcerated population is hispanic - that is evidence of racial targeting.

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Anonymous #8 18h

I’m not confused I know the definition, trump is practicing expansionism on behalf of another nation, while still being a leader wutkit absolute power of a democratic nation

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Anonymous #1 18h

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology. Now, technically we can see we are pre fascism, but Trump is unequivocally a fascist. He wants to be the only leader, its why he only has loyalists, he is also trying for ultranationalism, which is most of his cult. He is trying to get rid of people who don’t fit his definition of America. This is fascism by definition, theres also the 14 points, of which he fits at least 12, but i would argue all 14.

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Anonymous OP 18h

You are not actively taking action you are using buzzwords and making the American left look bad, posting on yikyak isn’t going anything but fulfilling your own fantasies of being as revolutionary hero

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Anonymous #9 18h

Loyalty isn’t a requirement and no fascist leader was the previous head of state of a democratic nation, trump also doesn’t have absolute power, I would say trump is an authoritarian but not a fascist

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Anonymous #1 18h

Did you notice? How it took me several HOURS to respond? I’m using my day off to phone bank. And, for the record, lunch is almost over, so you’ll see me in a couple hours again. Use the time to run through the mental gymnastics required to justify your complacency and inaction. Posting on yikyak isn’t “taking action.” It’s social media. Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to go back to taking action.

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Anonymous OP 18h

That is because Hispanics who are here illegally are most likely to live in border states which have far more border agents and ICE than non border states as well

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Anonymous OP 18h

I have my day off too, I just am bored bc my car won’t start and I am waiting for my friend to get back with a spare battery

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Anonymous #1 18h

you don’t need a functioning car to phone bank. excuses, excuses, anything to not take action, eh mitlaufer?

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Anonymous #1 18h

Lmk what criteria need to be met for a country to be considered fascist in your view

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Anonymous OP 18h

I’m not a mitlaufer, unlike you I’m not a larper and I work at a factory, and unlike you I’m not a mitlaufer since I’m not conforming to the 2 party duopoly, learn to diverge from the crowd

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Anonymous #7 18h

These

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Anonymous #7 18h

Also read more than the bold text please

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Anonymous #1 18h

Crazy because examples from the Trump administration fit perfectly into all of these tenets. ICE is quite literally the paramilitary force alluded to in the fourth point, and the regime has inflated our military budget while purging disloyal officers from the ranks.

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Anonymous #1 18h

I personally see a lot of connections to the Trump admin in this list. For the first one, he has openly tried to get around term limits & bribe people to win elections which is directly undermining democracy and increasing the power of the president. He has praised Kim Jong Un & started the war with Iran with no congressional approval. You can obviously see the rejection of democracy & the scapegoating

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Anonymous #1 18h

And as for suppression of opposition, did you hear about the Prairieland shooting and what happened to people who weren’t even present for the shooting? (they got sentenced to 30+ years because republicans said they were antifa)

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Anonymous #8 18h

Yes but it’s not enough to use certain actions as the system itself isn’t fascist

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Anonymous #1 18h

And then trump admin sent a bunch of people with no criminal records to a prison no one ever leaves in El Salvador (many of whom had no criminal records)

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Anonymous #7 18h

One instance, anecdotal, insufficient

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Anonymous #7 18h

anectodal insufficient

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Anonymous #1 18h

So, fun fact that apparently people don’t realize, the Nazis didn’t just mess with jewish people, and Jewish people weren’t the only people they targeted and put in camps! It also includes ofc, disabled people, people of color, queer people, and others. Now, we still see that the majority of it was one group, but it wasn’t 100%, just food for thought.

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Anonymous #7 18h

We don’t have a dictator yet, nor is our economy under a corporatist model, so any accusation of fascism is invalid and bad faith, you have demonstrated your lack of comprehension and low emotional control

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Anonymous #9 18h

Slippery slope fallacy,

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Anonymous #1 18h

You know what connects all those countries: trains + commerce

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Anonymous #1 18h

Oh, weird. did you not hear about how the Trump administration built an entirely new legal apparatus (NSPM-7) to bypass normal justice systems and classify ideological dissenters as domestic terrorists?

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Anonymous #1 18h

Actually, the Executive branch explicitly defied the Judicial branch and used the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to strip people of due process, which is a structural breakdown of democracy

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Anonymous #1 18h

praying for u 🙏

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Anonymous #7 18h

Praying for you as well

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Anonymous #1 18h

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO “mostly a spanish thing” is a GROSS misreading of history. The Spaniards pioneers anarcho-syndicalism which is an anarchist system. Mussolini turned it on its head and created national syndicalism, which inverts the anarchist form into a fascist one. It’s the same dynamic between socialism and “national socialism” aka Nazism

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Anonymous .gaia. 18h

*pioneerd

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Anonymous .gaia. 18h

No I mean Franco and the Spanish junta

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Anonymous .gaia. 18h

Nazis were not actually socialist, they were state capitalist even though NSDAP stands for national socialist german workers party, so literally automatically invalidates the OP claim

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Anonymous #1 18h

Oh you meant the government of Spain at the time, not the revolutionaries. Gotcha. Still, “Italy wasn’t fully national syndicalist” is only really true if you hold the Francoist regime as the standard. That begs the point tho that holding the most extreme examples as the standard/bar doesnt follow logically. They’re the most extreme. In poli sci, we generally use principles from prob+stats to figure out the average, and so you’d look at the bell curve’s center figuratively. Not the extremes

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Anonymous #1 18h

So saying fascism is defined by the most extreme forms only really serves to shut down discussions of fascism and fascist tendencies

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Anonymous .gaia. 18h

No it is just time we start using words correctly

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Anonymous #1 17h

That’s a very nothing-burger statement. Your definition of what’s correct or not 1) doesn’t follow logically, as I established, and 2) doesn’t follow established definitions of what fascism is. Fascism = Hitler and Fascism = Nazism or any other form of that is not really true

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Anonymous #1 17h

Pulling up a Gemini summary is not the same as understanding the literature

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Anonymous #1 17h

And even then, Trump arguably does each of those

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Anonymous .gaia. 17h

Barely does 2

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Anonymous #1 17h

I mean, if you treat fascism as a checklist where every single box must be ticked, then 1) you misunderstand the concept of the term “tendencies” and the purpose of comparative political thought, and 2) should refer to my previous comment about standards, norms, and extremes

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Anonymous .gaia. 17h

👏👏 clock it .gaia. (as you always do)

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Anonymous .gaia. 17h

Fascism is an extreme ideology inherently

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not you agreeing with a neonazi. literal moron

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oh my fucking god. groypers are all neonazis, you dumb fuck, and you genuinely expect us to believe you’re not a sympathizer?

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and just so we’re clear, that’s me being immensely generous given the dogshit you’ve spouted in this thread.

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Anonymous #6 15h

They are not but I hate them too it’s just that a broken clock is right twice a day

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Anonymous #1 15h

they absolutely are, what the fuck do you think outright holocaust support (or pure denialism) is; combined with ADVOCACY IN FAVOR OF HITLER AND PURE NAZIISM? you’re an imbecile.

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so not a sympathizer, but a genuine fascist, then? as you sit there dismissing the rise of modern fascism and discrediting the largest neonazi movement in the modern era (in what seems to be an attempt to detach them from their own claimed beliefs, a dogshit attempt at propaganda I might add) these little charades you’re playing won’t save you from the accountability you’ll meet in the future; be it through a series of public trials, or a high velocity round of lead.

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do you need a lesson in literacy? *NEO-nazis*, emphasis on the word NEO, meaning new. That refers to individuals and organizations who have willingly adopted either pure Naziism, or a modified version of Naziism, in the modern era. no, nearly all (if not all) Nazis are dead, as that term specifically refers to the Third Reich, but we’re talking about NEONAZIS. you illiterate fascist.

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Anonymous #6 15h

Objectively not a fascist

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you do not have to be white to be a fascist, dipshit. you do not have to be white to even be a white supremacist, as stupid as that is.

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Anonymous #6 15h

Yeah ik but neo Nazis and groypers are both cucks who hate each other so they are still different

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you can do better than projection rooted in desperation. go ahead, try again. i believe in you.

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Anonymous #6 15h

I am not a white supremacist either, maybe stop being an illiterate ape and actually learn what words mean, I believe in equality under law for all ethnic groups, but I also believe that fascism is a real word with a definition, these beliefs are not mutually exclusive

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Anonymous #6 15h

It’s not projection at all, unlike you I know ideologies

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Anonymous #1 15h

I did not call you a white supremacist, you dumbass, I brought that up because you mentioned not being white in defense of me calling you a fascist. if you stopped projecting for a single second, you’d recognize that you’re talking out of your ass. to give you the benefit of doubt once more, I’ll retract my critique of you being a fascist assuming your earlier remarks were merely a dogshit attempt at a joke; but that just brings us back to the topic of sympathizing.

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Anonymous #1 15h

like I said though, you can do better than projection rooted in desperation.

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Anonymous wsc_groyper 15h

U ignore every good point and say this 💀 typical

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Anonymous #6 15h

I don’t care what you call me I am just stating how trump is not a fascist, if you didn’t have the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader you would notice that

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Anonymous #1 15h

it’s the exact shit I criticized of you, repackaged back towards me. the definition of projection, you dumb fuck lmao. claiming “no thats not because i’m right and you’re wrong” is literal middle school shit, the fuck?

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Anonymous #6 15h

I am right, it’s true that trump doesn’t follow the teachings of fascism or national socialism, cope harder sub 75 iq creature

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Anonymous #1 15h

it’s okay to be wrong sometimes

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Anonymous #1 15h

this is just sad dude. it’s giving narcissism like you cant just admit when you’re wrong, or even *try* to come up with your own rebuttals? nah I’m done at this rate, it feels like I’m bullying a child / punching down. enjoy screaming into the void

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Anonymous #6 15h

I’m not narcissist I am just teaching you what fascism is, while you sulk in your own feelings of moral superiority

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Anonymous #7 15h

I know user 6 needs to accept it

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Anonymous #12 12h

Trump has been weaponizing DOJ and DHS to go after his political opponents since the beginning of his second term. This is a pattern of abusing his powers. He’s been targeting Ilhan Omar specifically and making disgusting comments about her ethnicity since last year. This isn’t a coincidence and yes, politically motivated investigations is a hallmark of fascism.

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Anonymous #11 11h

Trump is a criminal

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Anonymous #8 11h

I can even add to this that it’s mainly a systemic flaw. It’s not a purely trump issue (though he does make it worse) the DOJ should be completely separate from any other political power and be voted in by us Americans

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Anonymous #9 11h

I agree, it is insane that so much executive power is concentrated in the presidency

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Anonymous #11 11h

Except he actually did commit crimes by inciting January 6 and attempting to overturn the 2020 election results. And he’s a rapist, if you forgot

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Anonymous #8 9h

And the 34 felony convictions

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