Anonymous #1 14w

You are… confused? By how directly attacking capitalist interests in a capitalist economy (INSTEAD of attacking people) could sway the opinions of the capitalists in power? Violence against property is a tool to force capitalists to side with the movement for their own selfish monetary interests. “Pass the law, dammit, I can’t pay to replace any more shit” being the rationale. Violence against people is the tool the state uses to protect capitalist interests.

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Anonymous OP 14w

The capitalists are in power because the people voted for them. When most most people see destruction of property (me included) it’s just seen as a crazy protesters. The destruction of small businesses will only turn people against you. I also don’t understand why you think the capitalist angle is so important do you really think Harris (a capitalist) would have done the same as Trump? I think it would be much better to focus on effective political messaging with support of the Democratic Party

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Anonymous #1 14w

Oh I’m not talking about the politicians when I bring up capitalism. Basically impossible for a non-capitalist to get elected in the US, because you’re right - most people vote for that. I’m talking about the CEO of Waymo, who now has to replace several of his cars. Or the CEO of a looted Macys, who now has to pay increased insurance costs. I’m talking about the people who bought our politicians.

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Anonymous #1 14w

Because quite frankly, what “the majority” of people support doesn’t matter. Whatsoever. 70% of americans support federal legalization of weed, 63% of americans support legal abortion avenues, and just about 100% of americans support term limits, and NONE of them are ever going to happen as long as lobbying is legal. It’s not about winning over the little guy. It’s about inconveniencing those who have everything enough that they’re willing to capitulate to make it go away.

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Anonymous #1 14w

And in regards to the Democratic Party - they take the same donations the republicans do. Why do you think Obama never codified abortion rights when he had a supermajority? And I don’t trust the dems to move FAST enough to protect the people ICE is victimizing. Locking ICE agents into a building looks bad on the evening news, but *those agents couldn’t tear apart families while they were in there.*

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Anonymous OP 14w

If you don’t think that there is a difference between Harris and Trump in terms of immigration, I think you’re delusional. When Trump literally ran on deporting illegal immigrants, and blocked immigration reform as part of his campaign strategy. There is a huge difference between that and Harris, and the harm that would have been prevented by Harris winning affects millions. Your rhetoric that it doesn’t matter what the people do, that it’s all up to the companies is driving people not to vote.

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Anonymous #1 14w

With even 5-10% more turnout, Harris easily could have won, and that could be entirely done by young people

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Anonymous #1 14w

Destruction and blockades of ICE buildings will literally save people’s lives

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Anonymous #2 14w

Do you support the destruction of private property?

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Anonymous #2 14w

You know he also said in that same speech “And let me say, as I’ve always said, and I will always continue to say that riots are socially destructive and self-defeating. I’m still convinced that nonviolence is the most potent weapon available to oppressed people in their struggle for freedom and justice. I feel that violence will only create more social problems than they will solve.”

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Anonymous #1 14w

Yes the point is that you cannot condemn riots without in the same sentence also causing the state for making it the only option for so many people. They may still not be right, and he certainly didn’t think it was the best way to achieve their goals.

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Anonymous #2 14w

So do you support rioting or not? It seemed like you were in support of them earlier

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Anonymous #1 14w

There is no non-sports-related riot that could ever exceed the state-sponsored violence that incited it.

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Anonymous OP 14w

So is a riot always justified, to any extent?

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