Anonymous #1 3w

Right? Like there are definitely cases where a mine shouldn’t be opened (such as the Pebble Mine in Alaska) but at the same time denying an extension of your local quarry is just going to cause the current one to lose jobs, and force longer routes for truckers delivering aggregate to local construction projects, increasing costs and environmental impact

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Anonymous OP 3w

It can even hurt the environment. People are still going to purchase those materials, they’re just going to come from an overseas mine with little regard for environmental harm. We’re still paying the consequences of the green lobby regulating American nuclear power out of existence, this is similar in a lot of ways.

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Anonymous #1 3w

True true, I grew up 20 miles from 3 Mile Island so my area was the epicenter of our nuclear scare. It’s a shame that public sentiment outweighs scientific and environmental merit

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Anonymous #1 3w

you’ve been duped by the fossil fuel industry into thinking that a nonexistent ‘green lobby’ killed nuclear energy in the US

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Anonymous _orangutan 3w

y’all mean to tell me this ‘green lobby’ has enough influence to kill something that the US dumps billions of dollars of subsidies into, but not enough influence to meaningfully alter the grid? bffr, this isn’t Europe. we don’t have green industrialists or green parties with any sort of economic or political power. the fossil fuel and petrochemical industries are what lobbied the government to kill nuclear energy AND renewable energy

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Anonymous _orangutan 3w

There’s dozens of well funded activist groups. We’re not at the level of Europe, and our extent of new mines not being allowed is moreso impacting corporate gain than our own production (which is good) - but there are many resource *types* that are missing. Such as rare earth elements. The mountain pass mine used to supply the world, then once it shut down china took over that

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Anonymous _orangutan 3w

Like over $2,000,000,000 was spent in campaigns for and against the pebble mine

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Anonymous _orangutan 3w

Bass pro shops got fucking dude perfect to do an ad about it lmao

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Anonymous OP 3w

I would argue those green lobbies largely exist to manufacture consent to shy away from nuclear power. And it’s more so been media that has pushed these narratives, no so much green groups. Most green groups lost their cache after the 70s, which is why we haven’t had any major environmental policy in general, yknow setting aside nuclear policy, since then. And now we’re seeing most of our environmental regulations rolled back. The oil lobby is one of the most powerful in the country.

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Anonymous OP 3w

You think green groups get money? That’s peanuts compared to those contributions of the oil industry both indirectly and directly. Not even touching on the revolving door between them and the government. Hell their execs have headed the EPA for years and years now

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Anonymous .gaia. 3w

No I know, I’m not in favor of oil at all lol

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Anonymous .gaia. 3w

But the point stands nearly $1,000,000,000 was sent by people advocating against the pebble mine. So there’s absolutely cases where they’re funded, just not at the scale of the industrial players of course

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Anonymous .gaia. 3w

I’m moreso against the public sentiment of “all mines bad” when the truth is “some mines necessary”

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Anonymous OP 3w

I just don’t think they’re the problem though. You also have to remember many of the pushes against nuclear are simply “green” liberal pushes against them. Yknow deluded hippies and liberals that have little to no idea what they want. And they absolutely would rather it be in some foreign country than here. But I argue they aren’t the real problem. They’re just a sideshow. Same wavelength as PETA and all those groups.

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Anonymous OP 3w

The real problem is the industry. If the government sees fit, it will ignore these groups. And when the liberal government relents and gives up on these projects, I think it’s less to do with pressure from these green groups and more to do with knowing they’ll just get the resources from a country in Africa or something.

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Anonymous .gaia. 3w

They’re two sides of the same coin really, both can be good, both can be bad. Obv, industry is far fucking worse, but that doesn’t mean those groups can’t negatively impact communities for the sake of ill informed impacts

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