Anonymous #1 9w

How so?

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Anonymous #2 9w

So? Who cars how it was founded. I care about what I could be become. I’m not even entirely anti capitalist I just feel that socialist policy could help Americans have more freedom with how the choose to spend their time and money. If you don’t have to worry about paying for healthcare, housing, transportation, etc… you could use the extra time and money to peruse whatever goals you want. Open a small business, create something, get educated. The sky’s the limit

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Anonymous #2 9w

and genocide and slavery. defend those, ik you will

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Anonymous OP 9w

I mean if we’re talking about if someone is American or anti American it seems pretty relevant. And what’s most American is winning an election which the socialists really struggle to do, if you want change go change shit. But as it stands right now America is pretty opposed to socialism.

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Anonymous #2 9w

Yeah I understand that. And honestly I get it because the last 100 years have been filled with failed socialist projects. I feel that socialism needs a new face in order to prove to Americans it actually can work. I propose wedding socialism with American style patriotism. I know that sounds insane but I feel the positives and negatives of each ideology cancel each other out at least somewhat.

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Anonymous OP 9w

I just think it goes against the core idea of America. For better or worse a majority of Americans think they’re a lucky break, and some hard work away from being a millionaire. Opening a small business and making it on your own are core American ideas and that’s not as easy under socialism.

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Anonymous #2 9w

On the contrary. I feel that it would be easier. Regulate the industry giants and break up mega corporations so they don’t dominate the market. Provide public housing, healthcare, and easy access to transportation so people aren’t always pressed for money. That gives people more money both to spend in small businesses instead of large companies and to open small businesses if they feel inclined to do so. Socialism is not anti small business.

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Anonymous OP 9w

We already regulate big businesses and monopolies. We do a decent job and have a good mixed system already. You act like those public goods are just free, we already have a giant deficit where is all this money for great programs coming from?

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Anonymous #2 9w

I disagree about the regulation bit. We are living in a nation ruled by several dozen massive mega corporations. Wealth inequality has reached an all time high. Something about the current system is broken if this is the result. Also where do we get the money? 3 things. Taxing billionaires fairly, taxing corporations fairly, and implementing an estate tax.

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Anonymous OP 9w

If we taxed every billionaires entire net worth it wouldn’t run the current government for a year, that’s just not realistic.

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Anonymous #2 9w

Not just the billionaires. The corporations and the billionaire dynasties as well. That’s where most of the wealth in the country is being tied up.

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Anonymous OP 9w

it still wouldn’t do anything. government spending has been out of control since jackson

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Anonymous OP 9w

My point was our current spending isn’t sustainable, you’re proposing a welfare state and we’d have to increase taxes across the board to come close to paying for it, not just for the rich. And who do those corporations pass those taxes onto? They just eat the cost in the name of patriotism, or do they increase prices, lower wages, and fire employees to continue making money.

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Anonymous #2 9w

I’m not saying our current method is sustainable. I’m simply saying that we could be spending our money in a more efficient manor that prioritizes the wellness of the American people rather than the profit motives of several very rich people. I disagree that we would have to raise taxes across the board. Corporations would still have to eat the cost of a tax increase but I feel like it could be lessened by breaking up the largest corporations into smaller ones.

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Anonymous #2 9w

If they are smaller they would avoid paying the higher tax rate. It’s an incentive for companies to remain small and avoid becoming monopolies. There would probably still be quite alot of turmoil from something like this however I would hope that an increase welfare state could help the people avoid the worst of it. Is it perfect? No. Am I an economist? No. This is all just opinion.

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Anonymous OP 9w

Our largest spending right now is social security, followed my Medicare. Which of those are the profit motives of the rich? Your proposal is to break up corporations into smaller companies, then tax those smaller companies more, those smaller companies with less money and ability to eat the taxes?

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Anonymous OP 9w

Then where are the tax dollars coming from if the businesses are being broken up and paying less taxes? It’s just a proven fact that higher taxes decrease growth and hurt business. We need to be spending far less not far more.

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Anonymous #2 9w

American health care is the most expensive in the world. It’s also the most inefficient and costly because it’s ran through private corporations. Those companies take government money and give it to their shareholders and CEOs. Our taxes pay for their profits. They are incentivized to make healthcare as inefficient and expensive as possible to maximize their own profits. Literally any other system would be more efficient and less costly than the one we have right now

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Anonymous #2 9w

No it’s to break up corporations and tax the larger ones which in theory would incentivize them to shift away from monopolistic practices

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Anonymous #2 9w

The access would be gained through taxes on the 1% and 10% and through an estate tax which would breakup billionaire dynastic clans.

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Anonymous OP 9w

The 1% already control almost half of the entire wealth of the nation. If they are taxed effectively the money gained would be tremendous

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Anonymous OP 9w

And family dynasties keeping wealth cycling through their inheritance is not helping the economy in any meaningful way. Neither is trading it among their rich friends. That money needs to be given to regular everyday people so they can choose to spend it, invest it, or save it

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Anonymous #2 9w

yeah and that’s ridiculous. the reality is 90% of small businesses fail within a few years. the American dream is a lie, and kind of always has been. A lie that makes people accept unfair treatment on the basis that the same system designed to keep them poor and subservient could make them rich.

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