Anonymous OP 14w

There’s also disinformation sprinkled in here, every US citizen has the option to apply for Medicaid. I’ve been on it my whole life. And the books were banning are literal porn

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Anonymous #1 14w

Defend the claim that eugenics == abortion.

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Anonymous #2 14w

Legalizing abortion for all makes it to where someone can get rid of a child solely because of the gender. This goes deeper, to the point where doctors will advise for abortions if the child is found to be special needs and will need life long assistance. An abortion shouldn’t be considered for these things, adoption can be but not abortion

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Anonymous #1 14w

Abortion is a non-discriminative healthcare procedure that is in NO way eugenics. Anyone that needs it can have it done within reason if they cannot go through with carrying a pregnancy to term and does not weed out entire gene pools or castrate or kill or classify a fetus with prejudice. This is THE most ignorant take

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Anonymous OP 14w

You call something ignorant before even letting me respond

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Anonymous #1 14w

I didn’t call you ignorant, I said your take was ignorant. But if you wanna take it personally I’m not gonna stop you cuz that would tell me all I need to know

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Anonymous OP 14w

I didn’t even say you called me ignorant, I said you called “something” as in my take, ignorant. Don’t make something more personal than it really was lol

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Anonymous #1 14w

You do realize that there’s a critical difference in claiming that abortion *can* be used for eugenics and claiming that abortion *is* eugenics, right?

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Anonymous #2 14w

It’s been used for eugenics, which is equivalent to your claim of “perpetuating actual eugenics”

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Anonymous #1 14w

Give me stats on how frequently elective abortions are currently used for eugenics.

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Anonymous #2 14w

🙄give me stats on how conservatives are using eugenics in the modern age. Hell about a century ago you probably would’ve also been on board for labotamies. The difference is the right doesn’t practice eugenic shit in this day and age, but y’all still do. We don’t know the intentions of everyone’s abortions and we’re clearly not measuring that specifically when doing abortions. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen within abortion clinics and that the option wasn’t available to them for years

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Anonymous #1 14w

Funny that you say the left were the ones to use abortion as an instrument of eugenics when historically it was used by the right for “racial betterment” and preventing people they saw as “unfit” from reproducing, and on top of that trait-selective abortion is illegal in places abortions themselves are legal

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Anonymous OP 14w

Banning trait-selective abortion was also an ENTIRE doctrine written into Roe v. Wade as well, you can find countless resources on it from Harvard Law alone

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Anonymous #1 14w

My guy, if you are unable to substantiate your claims with evidence, then you’re literally just yapping. Either support your claims with statistics, or make more-modest claims.

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Anonymous OP 14w

They couldn’t force the doctors to tell them why they want an abortion. It would be intellectually dishonest for y’all to say abortions to special needs kids didn’t happen for financial purposes through these past decades, though. I may try to find some stats in the morning, but like I said just because you can’t see a thing happening doesn’t mean it’s not happening

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Anonymous #1 14w

This was just from a simple google search

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Anonymous #1 14w

I agree that it’s not impossible for {X} to be happening even if you can’t observe {X}, but you shouldn’t be making a positive claim that {X} is in fact happening if you can’t support the claim. This is simple burden-of-proof stuff.

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Anonymous #2 14w

There you have something to prove that the grass is green, I’m going to bed now

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Anonymous #1 14w

I don’t have a high opinion of people who cite AI as their sources, but I can work off of this. First thing to consider is that wild aborting a fetus with Down Syndrome just because it has Down Syndrome would make me squirm, the fact that Down Syndrome is lumped in with conditions like Trisomy 13 and Trisomy 18 makes me wonder what the composition of those “life-limiting” diagnoses is.

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Anonymous #2 14w

A child with Down Syndrome can live a happy fulfilling life, but babies with Trisomies 13 or 18 literally just suffer and die. I’d want to spare a child of mine that fate.

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Anonymous #1 14w

My guy, you pasted an AI answer containing statistics and medical conditions that you most likely didn’t understand. I wouldn’t not be acting so self-satisfied if I were you.

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Anonymous #2 14w

Bruh it’s 5am and I just want to go to sleep. I gave you something for until the morning to show you at the very least it’s happening to people with special needs that could be living fulfilled lives, but they have the life taken away from them before they get a chance. Thats messed up

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Anonymous #1 14w

Did you read my responses? The statistic you provided blends abortions for conditions that I would consider unjustifiable (Down Syndrome) with abortions for conditions that I would consider justifiable (Trisomies). Your stats didn’t really get us anywhere.

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Anonymous #2 14w

https://voelkerrechtsblog.org/genetic-cleansing-under-the-guise-of-womens-rights/

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Anonymous #2 14w

https://care-net.org/abundant-life-blog/abortion-based-on-disabilities-is-ableism/

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Anonymous #2 14w

https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/ade656cc-206b-4624-a51b-10eeca1d1f28/down-syndrome-report.pdf

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Anonymous #2 14w

I mean, I could keep providing or you could do your own research

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Anonymous #2 14w

Straight from the senate

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Anonymous #1 14w

I’ve done my own research, dude. You’re making the positive claims in this debate, so I expect you to substantiate them.

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Anonymous #2 14w

I appreciate these links. I’ll check them out later. Sleep well.

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Anonymous #2 14w

So are you, you actually are the one claiming we’re somehow still doing eugenics yet you haven’t given any stats?

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Anonymous #2 14w

Goodnight, talk later alligator 🐊

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Anonymous #1 14w

Wait, what claims do you believe I’ve been making?

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Anonymous #2 14w

Telling people how to look and act isn’t eugenics, and conservatives can easily point out the hypocrisy with abortion being literal eugenics. And I as a conservative don’t tell people how to look and act, either, along with most if not all conservatives that I know personally. Not that there would really be anything wrong with that legally, maybe you’d sound like a dick but it’s definitely bold to claim doing that is eugenics

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Anonymous #1 14w

My guy, OP made those claims, not me.

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Anonymous #1 14w

Also, the second and third links you gave me have been giving me trouble, but I’ve been reading the first link.

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Anonymous #1 14w

The first link does have good stats about abortion in regards to Down Syndrome in Denmark in 2014, but that’s also not exactly relevant to what I was asking you for.

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Anonymous #2 14w

The third one is the best for the US, I tried to do a variety because this problem does happen with more than just Americans. And my bad for some reason I thought I was still talking to OP lol

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Anonymous #1 14w

Get some rest and then DM me the link to the Senate report. I’m still having a hard time properly viewing it.

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Anonymous #1 14w

Dude no democrat disagrees with getting that comic removed from schools 💀 if that’s all that you people were removing then there wouldn’t be an argument, it’s the fact you’re removing ANY books about queer relationships even child friendly and non explicit ones that’s upsetting. And doesn’t the Bible have WAYYYY worse in it than your example where someone giving head to another person? There’s defended rape, genocide, murder, pedophilia, the Bible is definitely NOT kid friendly either

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