Anonymous #1 7w

that said, I know there’s a lot of philosophical conversation to be had about the ethics of bringing kids up in a religion. but at least in public schools this is how I feel

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 7w

So much literature draws on religious metaphors and allegories that I don’t think you can even really fully grasp a lot of the classics without an understanding of the author’s faith

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 7w

For example, Victor Hugo was a Catholic, reading Les Miserables with no understanding of Catholicism, you can get the gist of it, but you won’t fully understand it as a deeply Catholic work on the nature of atonement and redemption. You don’t have to BE a Catholic to get it, but it helps to understand Catholicism as it applies to the author and his work.

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

Also public education shouldn’t be funded through property tax either. Your parents income shouldn’t have any effect on your quality of education

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

Private schools are the dumbest thing in the world. Making things capitalistic that don’t need to be

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Anonymous #5 7w

Yeah plus having everyone pay into mandatory public education wouldn’t just be better for the students, but if managed right, also for the teachers. Teachers have an invaluable job but are paid so little for the work they do. If you’ve ever known a teacher outside of the school environment, you know how much work goes into every lesson

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

Mmmm no. If you nix private education happens when the schools start teaching idk…Nazi propaganda or that black people are factually inferior to whites???

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Anonymous #6 7w

Have the department of education be totally separate from the federal government and politicians, kinda like the fed. Politicians aren’t experts in childhood psychology or how well children learn. That needs to be left up to experts without a strong political agenda who teach truth instead of propaganda

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Anonymous #6 7w

That would be indicative of a much bigger problem in the government as a whole, not the institution of public schooling alone, and if that’s what the public schools were teaching, do you honestly think they’d allow private schools to teach the opposite?

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Anonymous #6 7w

Also, after Brown v. Board went through, MANY private schools were founded for the purpose of being all-white and dodging integration, so while this hypothetical is somewhat thought provoking in a vacuum, it is the opposite of what has actually happened in real life

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 7w

Not to mention, if a rogue teacher wants to teach Nazi shit, they’ll do it regardless of whether they’re in a private or public school. If the gov wants to teach Nazi shit then we got bigger problems, but that’s why I suggest having the DOE as a separate entity in the same way the federal bank is

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

Yeah I think the only control the electeds should really have over education is funding and chair appointments that would ideally be technocratic in nature

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 7w

Plus you get rid of wild state standards, narrativizing (OK literally wants to teach abt how good J6th was), and bans on material. Besides literature and the arts ig, topics have an objective answer For example: we know in history that the founders owned slaves, that the civil war was abt slavery and other shit. And that’s just one topic!

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

And the chair would have to have a term longer than 8 years so that it wouldn’t be so easy for one president to singlehandedly fuck the education sector

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Anonymous #6 7w

bro… what?

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 7w

Yeah like it’s wild to me we are having politicians who don’t know anything about child psychology, aren’t experts on half the stuff taught in school besides maybe law, and likely haven’t stepped foot in a public elementary/middle/high school in decades deciding what should be taught. Put them in the classroom as a substitute teacher and they’d be lost entirely

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

I mean fuck our Secretary of Education is a former WWE Executive

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 7w

Oh it’s insane. Especially since she is in charge of quite literally the next generation getting educated I’m actually getting my teaching degree (have a year left) and guarantee she couldn’t pass the multiple classes I’ve taken on child psychology, brain development in young people, and so many other things you need to know as a teacher. One 100 question multiple choice test and she’d score a 25%

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

That’s not me trying to pat myself on the back, it’s showing how much goes into being a teacher. It’s way more then just being an expert on the topics you teach, you literally gotta know how kids be

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

mfs are gonna be in APUSH writing DBQs about The Attitude Era and Stone Cold Steve Austin

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 7w

One of the subjects im licensed to teach will be history 😭 If a student genuinely turns that in, I’m going home and punching my ticket early lmaooo. That’ll be the sign humanity has begun to truly fail

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

I hate that most politicians stick so hard to decorum, because if I was in the Linda McMahon confirmation hearings, the first words out of my mouth would be “What the fuck are we doing here?”

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 7w

No literally like if I was a politician at that hearing I’d be going “so what are your credentials and what the fuck are you doing here”

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

I would address the Republican Senators and be like “Your President apparently thinks you guys are a bunch of fucking morons, are you gonna prove him right?” and then 65% of Democrats would vote along with them to censure me lmao

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 7w

FUCKING TRUE

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

How can the government mandate a public education thru an entity that isn’t apart of the government. If it isn’t apart of the government how do we oversee it? What prevents a privatized entity from doing what it wants?

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 7w

What legal authority does the government currently have to tell private schools what to teach…oh yea basically none.

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Anonymous #6 7w

What just peachy is saying is to basically get rid of public school and make all schools apart of a centralized private entity

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Anonymous #6 7w

That is not at all what I’m saying but ok Do you think the federal bank is a private entity?

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

Yes. It has member banks which are organized in a very similar structure to similar private banks however it does not operate on a for profit structure and it isn’t a part of the government and operates as an independent entity.

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Anonymous #6 7w

A similar organization for private schools would essentially be like an existing private school which has multiple locations managed by a central authority.

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Anonymous #7 7w

I like you my guy

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Anonymous #6 7w

It would be like a private school how? I want it funded in the same way we fund social security and operated as an independent government organization. I just used the fed as an example, not as a one to one basis on how I think it should be done. And also, you’re just wrong factually. The board of governors is an independent government organization. They’re not private, though it acts as a private institution because banks hold stocks in the fed. Schools ain’t holding stocks buddy

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Anonymous #6 7w

🤝

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

Aka you hate rich Christians and think they shouldn’t have the ability to choose who they are around and how they learn

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

Because your basically saying I don’t like private schools because they are entities which operate with little government oversight. My solution to this is to make private education illegal and then turn the public education system into one massive private school with no government oversight (which means no oversight from the kids and parents who vote for their representatives).

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Anonymous #8 7w

Who tf are they going to be exposed to in public school that they would not in a private Christian school? Black people? Also yeah, I do think a teacher trained in education does know more about how students learn than the parents. There should be meetings between the two for sure, but still. What does your average parent know about developmental psychology? Or what subjects are they licensed to teach? I think students should be taught the most objectively correct information

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

Racist ass response by you but I’ll move past that. No by people it means like minded individuals aka other Christians. I know many Christians also do not want their children learning certain things and being exposed to certain things that public school does such as homosexuality. Christians also want to learn more and focus more about their history. There’s no problem with private schools you just have a problem with Christianity and think that they shouldn’t have the right to choose their edu

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Anonymous #6 7w

I’m turning an education system funded by tax dollars into a private one? How tf does that even work? Also, the fed is overseen by the government. They answer to Congress, are regularly audited, and have the board of governors. So even if you want to draw a one to one comparison while ignoring the other stuff I’ve said, what you claim is just factually incorrect

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Anonymous #8 7w

The argument can be made that religious education of any kind is protected by the first amendment. It is a core tenant of most religious institutions to study and learn the religious texts and histories and many religions furnish schools at all levels of education to that end.

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Anonymous #8 7w

It wasn’t racism it was sarcasm about how lots of private schools are white Also sorry, gay people exist. Just a fact of the world. You don’t get to shelter your kids from reality because it makes you feel yucky. You’re going to be surrounded by people who aren’t like minded in public school. We call that the real fucking world. I’m not against teaching the history of Christianity, I think all religions should be taught with an agnostic approach

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Anonymous #8 7w

I think a perfect example would be public school teaches so much about Martin Luther king Jr but never mentions THE Martin Luther. Teaching mlk is definitely of the utmost importance but for Christian’s learning about Martin Luther would be an essential part of their education and not something they would be receiving at a public school compared to a private Christian school

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

The FED gets its mandate from congress and congress has tried at times to abolish it without success. A government could change the tax code stated purpose of an organization and make its activities illegal. This is a very similar level of control to what the government has over the FED.

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Anonymous #8 7w

I went to both a Christian private school for half my education and a public school for the other half. I learned about Martin Luthor in both because he’s a part of history. He objectively existed and did what he did to change history. I wrote an entire paper on him in public school actually

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

But teaching them gay history, gay pride, ect is not a fact of the world. Yes you are going to be surrounded by tons of non likeminded people in the world but that literally has absolutely 0 impact on the fact that people have the right to choose who they want to be around. You can’t force me to hangout with you lmao

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

I went to both public and private as well and Martin Luther was never mentioned

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Anonymous #6 7w

Yeah, so they do have oversight. Thanks for proving my point. You just admitted that it still answers to the gov in certain ways

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Anonymous #8 7w

This is a crazy take. This is why private schools exist. In order for religion to be taught in schools we would have to either increase class times or extend the school year in order to meet educational and religious requirements. We couldn’t just teach Christianity since we aren’t a one religion country

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

Also your public school covered the Protestant reformation?? 😭😭😂😭 you gotta be living in like fucking Oklahoma

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Anonymous #8 7w

Not teaching about things that violate a religion or teaching that things do violate a religion is protected by the second amendment in religious private schools.

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Anonymous #8 7w

Are you trying to say that there was no history of gay people? Or the gay rights movement? This is what I mean, you don’t want to teach actual history. You want to teach your version of history. Nobody is forcing you to hang out with gay people either. Did you hang around every student in your class? Your school?

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Anonymous #8 7w

The Catholic Church was on of the most dominant and powerful governing institutions in the world for quite some time, outside of its importance as a religious institution.

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

Yes they have history and if you don’t want to teach your kids about gay history cuz that’s your religion then I don’t have to agree with that but you have a first amendment right to do that.

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Anonymous #8 7w

My public school covered the Protestant reformation. No it was not in Oklahoma. Both my middle school and public college have courses on the reformation, taught in an agnostic matter where students can come to their own conclusions and critically think about it all

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

No I’m saying it shouldn’t be taught the same way public schools don’t teach in depth about Christianity. Like I said your problem is not with private schools it’s with Christianity itself. You aren’t crapping on Jewish private schools or Islamic private schools only Christian. For you being an atheist you want your kids to learn all religions equally. As a Christian I want my kids to learn all religions but not equally. I want my children to have a much much much more in depth knowledge about

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Anonymous #6 7w

I want students to be taught objectively correct history in the most neutral way possible. Yes, I do think religious children should be taught about gay history. That’s not turning them gay, that’s showing them “hey this happened and this is the timeline of events”. I think atheist children should be taught about all religions because those are a part of the world we live in. Thats it

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

Their history and their religion. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. You clearly just have hate towards Christians and I can’t blame you especially with people like Trump claiming to be “Christian” but the reality is private schools are protected under the first amendment and if parents want to pay an extra few bucks to ensure their child can get a combination of both a better education and covering topics that they feel are more important there’s nothing wrong with that. I do

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

Cool that’s your opinion send your child to public school but you have absolutely NO right whatsoever to tell ME what to do with MY child

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Anonymous #8 7w

1. Yeah, fuck private schooling in general. I want it abolished. That includes private Islamic and Jewish schools, not just private Christian schools. I thought that was implied but now I’ve said it 2. If you want your kids to learn more about Christianity then other religions, then send them off to Sunday school. It is not the job of public education to favor one religion over another

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Anonymous #8 7w

Bro. You are just saying things that aren’t true. Public schools teach abt Christianity with regards to how it lead to the rise of empires. They don’t go into the idiosyncrasies because they don’t with any religion. It’s the same thing with the gays and such. They talk abt the movements and the impact it had but they don’t dive into it more than that

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Anonymous #5 7w

Literally the point I’m trying to make lmfao. Some parents want their children to have a deeper dive into Christianity and there’s nothing wrong with that

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Anonymous #8 7w

Children only get a better education in private schools because we underfund public education. And we know this is the case because when a state has a higher PPP standard than another state with a lower PPP standard, the former performs incredibly well. What is objectively best for the child is what is needed. If you don’t want that for your child, best of luck to them

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

EXACTLY ITS NOT THE JOB OF PUBLIC EDUCATION THATS WHY PRIVATE EDUCATION EXISTS!!!!!!

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Anonymous #8 7w

Nope, because we know when there is a nationwide educational standard and everyone gets the same education, the population does better. I don’t want rich families getting a better education purely bc the kid was lucky enough to be born into a richer household

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Anonymous #8 7w

If you want your child to learn more about Christianity then you can pay for Sunday school. But the standard M-F school day should be public and standardized for all students regardless of background

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

Public education DEFINITELYYYYYYY needs to be better but don’t try and act like it’s the fault of private schools. Private schools grew because public school is failing not the other way around. Reality is money buys you things and one of the things you can buy is access to better education you can’t change that I’m sorry.

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

But why would I take up more of their time when I can just send them to school lol

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

Plus Sunday school isn’t exactly school where you would be getting the same knowledge as going to a private school.

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Anonymous #8 7w

Private schools grew because of Christian ideology. Private schools don’t lead to greater success. The education is inherently better

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Anonymous #5 7w

Isnt^

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Anonymous #8 7w

I never said it was the fault of private schools for just existing, I said part of the reason it’s failing is because it’s underfunded. Improve public schools and there is no need for private schools And yes, money buys you things and can get better education for students. That’s why I want the PPP cost in public schools raised as well as other funding

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Anonymous #8 7w

You wanting to teach them more about Christianity is your prerogative. Explain to them why you’re doing extra learning outside of school

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

That still doesn’t change the fact that billionaires can send their kids off to Switzerland to that one billionaire academy. Your whole argument is well I wouldn’t want my child to go to private school so we should just get rid of them entirely

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

Well Christianity and history go hand in hand my history class at private school was almost like another religion class at sometimes

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Anonymous #8 7w

For US citizens still of school age it should be mandatory to go to public education in the US. Sorry Also no, my argument is that we should abolish private schools due to the fact a robust public education system with the same national standards for every student is a better system. This is just objectively the case

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

Also you said you went to a private school so it also definitely sounds like you are letting some of your emotions regarding your experience at private school drive your opinions instead of facts

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Anonymous #8 7w

Ofc you would teach about Christianity in history class, when did I ever say otherwise 😭 I said religion should be taught for all major religions in an agnostic way without endorsing or condoning any religion

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

And that’s your opinion and you can send your kid to private school my opinion is all major religions should be taught but Christianity should be covered in much more depth and be endorsed that’s why you have the right to send your kids to public school and I can send mine to private. Again your whole argument is that you don’t want to send your kids to private school so you think it just shouldn’t be an option for anyone else which is wrong

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Anonymous #8 7w

I said I went to both a private and public school. What I have been citing is just the facts of the matter. And while yes, I am an atheist rn, I believed this very same thing when I was still a Christian because these are the cold hard numbers and facts

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Anonymous #8 7w

Public school I mean

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Anonymous #8 7w

That’s not my argument, you keep saying that it’s about these nonexistent kids I have. My argument is that we know as a fact that a robust public education system where well written national standards of stuff is taught to every student is just a better system. Private schooling under this would prepare children less for the world

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

Yea and I’m saying it definitely seems like you are letting your experience at the private school drive your opinions based on emotions instead of facts. The cold hard numbers and facts are that religious private schools have every right to exist and parents have every right to chose their children’s education. Saying you want religion to be taught in an agnostic and non endorsing way is not a fact but rather an opinion

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Anonymous #8 7w

Yeah, part of my time in public school is when I was a Christian still. I didn’t just enter public school and stop believing. My teachers weren’t telling me to not be religious

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

I’m giving you the cold hard numbers and facts and they are that religious private schools have every right to exist along side public schools and shutting them down would be a clear breach of the constitution and should not happen. Parents should have the freedom to choose their children’s education. Who’s to say a nationally written lesson plan would be better? Trump????? He’s the one currently in charge of the federal government

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Anonymous #8 7w

You’re not citing numbers or studies, you’re citing moral stances you’re taking. Legally they have the right to exist, I’ve never denied that. I’m saying that in an ideal world they wouldn’t Yes, saying religion should be taught in an agnostic way without endorsing OR condoning it is an opinion. One based on the fact that there is a separation of church and state

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

But that ideal world is purely your opinion that’s not a fact

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Anonymous #8 7w

Holy shit you genuinely just don’t know my position. I said it should be an individual department of education focused on teaching children the most objective education possible based on the facts of the matter. This department should be made up of professionals both of the areas of study as well as experts in childhood psychology

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Anonymous #8 7w

I never said it existed, I said that it should exist bc it would be objectively an improvement

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

What you should be arguing for is the reformation of public schools- not the demolition of private schools. You don’t need to tear down one thing to build up another.

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

So then where are these facts and numbers you were talking about because right now you’ve only sent opinions

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Anonymous #8 7w

In the case of education getting rid of private schools in favor of a national standard of well funded public education is just better for the students learning. From biology to mathematics to history to linguistics. Because higher PPP causes objectively better educational outcomes for students, as well as a national standard

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Anonymous #8 7w

What does PPP stand for in the context of education? Because I’ve literally been citing that multiple times

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

Ok so yes it’s a fact that public schools need MAJOR improvements to their funding but I was more asking what are your facts for shutting down private schools because you’ve only provided options on that matter

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

People who send their kids to private school spay for the education of public school kids thru their property taxes. If they are paying double and the public education system is still shit what makes you think forcing more kids into already over crowded understaffed schools is gonna help?

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Anonymous #6 7w

*pay

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Anonymous #8 7w

I’m saying they wouldn’t be needed under such a system and that the education system having national standards would just be better. Plus, not going to a private school means you’re more exposed to other stuff and not sheltered

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Anonymous #6 7w

Yeah, I don’t want it paired through property tax. I’ve already said that. Property taxes just mean that schools in rich areas get more funding then those in poorer neighborhoods. Kids don’t choose what social class to be born in

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 7w

There is also one big problem with this whole idea…"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." 10th amendment is a real dream killer for this whole thing. States have control.

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Anonymous #6 7w

To the states OR to the people

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Anonymous #6 7w

The federal government doesn’t even have the authority to create a national education system without constitutional scholars on our side of the issue suing them

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Anonymous #8 7w

I went to public school and was taught about Martin Luther in World History in 9th grade, I guess your ass was too busy doodling an eye in your notebook or some shit though

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 7w

Nah I had all A’s in high school especially history but it was high school that I transferred into a private school from public

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Anonymous #9 7w

Uh establishment clause? Free exercise clause? You aren’t making us look good rn

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Anonymous #9 7w

Also I don’t think plato or Aristotle were Christians and their principles had a HUGE impact on Americas founding

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Anonymous #9 7w

Ratebait

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Anonymous #9 7w

This has never been a Christian nation. A nation of Christians? Yeah, you could certainly make that case with the likes of John Jay & Adam’s’ many writings on the subject. But they too, were very keen to make the explicit discernment between a Christian nation & a secular nation of Christians as they wanted. But even that was not necessarily a majoritarian or intent view of the constitution, many of our founding fathers weren’t Christian at all—and were in fact deist—Jefferson chief among them

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Anonymous #9 7w

These United States were founded upon principles of liberal secularism, not Christianity. There happened to be Christians living here sure, but in no way does our constitution or founding intent point to purely Christian principles whatsoever. If you actually believe that and aren’t just a propagandist, then you’re an idiot. Many of the founding fathers would be rallying to deport you for even claiming this filth

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Anonymous #7 7w

It borrowed from the principals of the Bible and many other religious and political texts of the time. That’s the only remotely Christian thing about the nation.

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Anonymous #7 7w

And yea they would actually declare independence and start revolution against people like you

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Anonymous #6 7w

In fact…a major motivator for the original flight from Europe to what would become the US was freedom from state sponsored religious persecution

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