Anonymous #2 18h

Certainly not, which is why I believe it needs to be available until the day where it’s unneeded.

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Anonymous #3 17h

🤦🏻‍♀️ You realize a lack of abortions is the reason why so many kids are stuck in the adoption and foster care systems? There is literally an unlimited amount of kids that can be adopted at any moment, it will never be zero. Incredibly stupid comment

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Anonymous #3 17h

Also… “liberty of being provided for”? Fetuses that are aborted aren’t even capable of sensation or thought. They would literally never be aware of the difference. Your comment is dumb on so many levels

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Anonymous #2 17h

Fetuses have brains, bones, hearts, nerves. They are absolutely capable of sensation. We need to reform the adoption system, absolutely, but there is demand for adopted children and we should not be aborting babies, especially at a time when our fertility rate has gone off a cliff in the wake of Roe v Wade.

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Anonymous #3 17h

Holy shit no, prior to 22 weeks of gestation, fetuses are not capable of sensation. That requires a fully functional nervous system. You know jackshit about biology so sit back down 😭

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Anonymous #2 17h

And no, there are literally too many children in the adoption system and not high enough of a demand for adopted kids, you’re literally advocating forcing more children into a system where they will most likely never get a family and graduate from it homeless within 2-3 years

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Anonymous #2 17h

Okay so why is the left allowing full-term abortions then? Why are leftists so supportive of Lindsay Clancy's post-birth abortions? Why not serve those couples who want to adopt kids and fix the system instead of using a broken system as an excuse to end lives?

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Anonymous #3 17h

Honey there’s no such thing as a post birth abortion, and late term abortions literally only happen if it’s a medical emergency.

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Anonymous #3 16h

- No one is allowing full-term abortions you actual fucking idiot - Leftists don’t support child murder, they’re just asking you to see the nuance of complicated psychiatric issues - The system will be fixed when people stop having unwanted pregnancies

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Anonymous #2 16h

States that allow full-term abortion: AK (signed by a Dem governor) CO (signed by a Dem governor) MD (signed by a Dem governor) MI (signed by a Dem governor) MN (signed by a Dem governor)

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Anonymous #2 16h

MA (signed by a Dem governor) NJ (signed by a Dem governor) NM (signed by a Dem governor) OR (signed by a Dem governor) VT (signed by a Dem governor) DC (signed by a Dem mayor)

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Anonymous #3 16h

Do you know the reason they allow it? Because sometimes the baby dies inside the mom, or the baby doesn’t have a brain, or delivering the baby would kill the mom. Those babies are wanted, desperately, and it’s a horrible thing when they have to let them go. But it’s a medical procedure that saves lives, and is never voluntary.

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Anonymous OP 16h

So how come the law doesn't explicitly state that? Why is it for everyone, even during a healthy pregnancy with no risk?

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Anonymous #3 16h

Because there are cases where the wording of the law would be used against mothers. We need to have compassion for the women who have to go through the trauma of a late term abortion, because if they get to that point then it means the baby was absolutely wanted.

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Anonymous #4 16h

1. Baptized and confirmed. 2. Nope. It’s like saying I don’t believe in locking up drug users without giving them access to the things that would get them out of addiction. I believe in having compassion for all people.

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Anonymous OP 16h

You do realize that the Church teaches the unborn are included in compassion for all people, right? From conception until natural death?

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Anonymous #4 16h

Of course, however there are instances where we have to think of the whole person. It’s a horrible thing but there are instances where it is the most compassionate thing we can do. I hope there comes a day where it never has to happen, or where women are never forced to make that choice, but that is the choice they must make now. So, I will always pray for those women, I will love them to pieces, and I will encourage them to reconcile with God.

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Anonymous OP 15h

The Church teaches that the baby has equal humanity with the mother, and holds that abortion is not permissible under any circumstance and is a grave mortal sin UNLESS it is to save the mother’s life in very rare and extreme circumstances such as an ectopic pregnancy. You cannot sacrifice the personhood of the baby for the mother in any other situation, and even then it is an extremely tragic scenario

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Anonymous #4 15h

I hear you, however it is more nuanced than that. I would love nothing more than for it to never be a choice that a woman has to make, but it is. It’s horrible and I pray about it every night and it always leads me to the same conclusion: it is happening, and it will continue happening whether it’s legal or not. If it’s not safe and accessible then it will only lead to unsafe practices that will harm more women. I have to stand for the side that will reduce the harm, even if it’s a slow process.

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Anonymous OP 15h

With all due respect, that isn’t the Church’s stance on abortion, nor has it ever been. Keeping abortion legal only incentivizes the abortion industry to further target women and scare them into getting abortions, and incentivizes women to get abortions when they don’t need to (over 95% are done for non health or assault related reasons). It would be good for you to vote with Church morals in mind (which is also not MAGA and probably never has been)

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Anonymous #4 15h

With all due respect, I would rather have women be able to have that choice instead of feeling forced into back alley abortions. Making it illegal won’t stop it, it will just make it unsafe.

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I’m not Roman Catholic so idk? I’m Irish folk Catholic. The tradition my family has been for generations.

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Anonymous OP 15h

Making it legal only produces more abortions. It’s a fallacious argument and is still against Church teaching and morals, which every Catholic is bound to. At the end of the day it’s your opinion vs the teachings of Christ’s Church, and Christ himself. You need to come back into the fold with Catholic teaching if you are indeed baptized and confirmed.

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Anonymous #4 15h

Wrong. Making abortions legal leads to safer abortions. Making it illegal leads women to risk their health with unsafe abortions. You talk about an industry “scaring women into abortions” but it’s their own decision what they choose to do with their bodies. Frankly religion should never have any influence over legislation.

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Anonymous #4 15h

So you’re looking at this from a Roman Catholic perspective when I’m just not that. I'm an Irish folk Catholic. I recognize the Pope as the legitimate head of the Catholic Church and respect his authority, but our religious practice also draws from Irish folk traditions that exist alongside institutional Catholicism. Some of those traditions differ from official Church practices. I don't see that as rejecting Catholicism, but as practicing a culturally distinct expression of it.

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Anonymous OP 15h

Departing from Church teaching is exactly that - departing from Church teaching. Either you’re a Catholic who adheres to Church teaching, or you aren’t. And right now it sounds like you aren’t. There is no room in Christianity for moral deviations, otherwise there’s no point in being in the faith if there’s nothing actually binding. “Folk Catholicism” isn’t valid Catholicism.

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