Anonymous OP 4d

Reside means living here while paying taxes*

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Anonymous #1 4d

Who’s to say there isn’t a system where one person gets one vote no matter what? It’s not like you can live here without being identified

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Anonymous OP 4d

I guess I’ll add that transitory stays like tourist visas would not count, only those who have lived here for a year or more in my eyes would count as residing in the country

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Anonymous justinian 4d

Id like people to have some sort of serious social investment in the country first. That being said it should be way easier for immigrants to become citizens if they have an acceptable background check.

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Anonymous justinian 4d

Is taxation without representation not what the founding fathers revolted over? Your options are to either not allow undocumented immigration whatsoever (clearly a terrible idea) or allow those people to be represented in our system of government

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Anonymous OP 4d

Are you saying that they lose the right to vote in their former country if they stay in the U.S. for a year? That sounds dumb.

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Anonymous #3 4d

Obviously that’s not at all what I’m saying

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Anonymous OP 4d

Should tourists be able to vote?

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Anonymous OP 4d

btw I upvoted because I don’t think its a crazy or outlandish idea even if I disagree with it

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Anonymous justinian 4d

I did answer that in my reply to my own comment

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Anonymous OP 4d

So anybody can just vote in any country they want? Also dumb.

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Anonymous #3 4d

This is all through the perspective of an American who has lived in an American system of government with American history. What happens in other countries is none of my concern, only that what happens here should be under proper representation for everyone living here

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Anonymous OP 4d

Yeah that’s silly, the USA isn’t the only country on the planet. If the US has little to no regulation of their elections, other countries will take advantage of that, no doubt.

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Anonymous #3 4d

You can regulate the elections to the point of security without denying those who reside in the country proper representation. This is only an idea, the specifics would come down to legislation

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Anonymous OP 4d

The specifics are the reason we don’t allow the stuff you’re saying we should do

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Anonymous #3 4d

Are you saying it’s physically impossible for every person living here to be represented in government?

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Anonymous OP 4d

You have to draw the line somewhere. If you’re temporarily living in a country/state/city, you shouldn’t vote there, vote in your home country/state/city. No country would allow US nationals to vote in their elections, and for good reason. If you don’t have rules on citizenship, the elections are meaningless.

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Anonymous #3 4d

Is what I would say if our country was started over taxation without representation but continued to tax without representation

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Anonymous OP 4d

It’s either hypocrisy or change the very foundations of the nation

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Anonymous #1 4d

considering we have very little fraud in the current system, if we just changed the voter ID laws or even had like voter cards that were issued by the government, I think the fraud, although will always be present, wouldn’t be enough to impact major elections, 100 fraudulent votes or even 1000 doesn’t change a presidential election unless they all happen in one spot but we haven’t seen fraud of that scale in any recent memory

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Anonymous #4 4d

I mean definitely we haven’t seen it, but considering that in OP’s language it seems that residency would theoretically be loosely defined it could absolutely create some issues. I think if there were solutions presented to work through the issue, I would be 100% game for it.

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Anonymous OP 4d

I’m more so meant that if the only thing you needed to qualify for voting would be residency what would prove you actually lived in the United States? I think it would open up a huge window for people to try to vote from other countries.

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Anonymous #1 4d

Yeah, there is a chance for fraud of course. But all legal immigrants have things like Social Security numbers, bank statements, etc. to kind of prove their identity and their long-term residence. I would assume it would be a similar process to say getting like a drivers license where I was asked for my Social Security card to prove my identity, a government ID to prove I’m as old as I say I am, and then utility statements in a phone bill to prove I live where I say I live

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Anonymous #4 4d

I kind of interpreted OP’s post as including irregular/illegal immigrants. My interpretation could definitely be wrong, but I think that would present an issue with proving that they are residing in the country/the duration of time in which they are.

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Anonymous #4 4d

A lot of people are impacted by the United States policies, but I think letting every single person who feels impacted by a single nation vote could raise an issue. I think they would have to be such specific criteria for this to be a policy that it wouldn’t even be reasonable.

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Anonymous #1 4d

Say, let’s just say long-term residence, five years? 7 1/2? I wouldn’t say those people are just feeling impacted. I think they are directly impacted. Also didn’t we fight a revolution because of the lack of representation for taxation and other government policies?

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Anonymous #5 4d

To elaborate, I understand where you’re coming from based on what you’ve said in other comments. But genuinely there is no good reason why we shouldn’t have a well regulated and vetted immigration process. Mass migration really isn’t the issue, the problem is that by being ignorant to the problem you are enabling a class of the closest thing we could even get to second class citizens (not even close but still)

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Anonymous #4 3d

But again I think this could be a problem because how do you PROVE long term residency for people who don’t have documentation. I see your point, but I don’t think it’s a very black and white situation

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Anonymous #1 3d

well I don’t mean people who don’t have documentation, I mean legal immigrants who do have documentation

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Anonymous #4 3d

Oh absolutely that I agree with. But I don’t think that was the point of OP’s post

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