Anonymous selene_vespra 2w

I’m the woker, baby

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Anonymous _orangutan 2w

and “energy independence”: drilling for more fossil fuels 😋

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Anonymous _orangutan 2w

Us when fracking

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Anonymous _orangutan 2w

You should glaze China’s solar industry more while ignoring their coal consumption. It’s funny when you do that.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 2w

i should, because we still consume coal AND the US produces half the emissions as China, with a QUARTER of the population. you should be critical of the American tariffs, that began under Trump 1 and were maintained through the Biden admin, which artificially inflates the cost of solar and EVs in the American market. not very committed to free trade or environmental policy tbh, just whatever benefits American capital

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Anonymous _orangutan 2w

oh, and China’s emissions are likely peaking. the US is… accelerating ?!

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Anonymous _orangutan 2w

Half the emissions? I didn’t know 4.8 was half of 12.6. And yes, we do tariff Chinese EVs and solar…why would we not do that? You’re aware that China is an American adversary…right? Their government views us the same way.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 2w

Lmao what? What china evs have been able to come into America? Genuinely I thought they had a ban on huawei products, git tripping

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Anonymous _orangutan 2w

And uh…yeah…that’s how economies work there bud! You WANT your capital to do well and your adversaries to not do well. Thats how currency and buying power functions! Unless you prefer the the ol’ snatch and grab for resources strategy.

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Anonymous selene_vespra 2w

Sort of. Chinese EVs aren’t banned, just tariffed to the point that selling them isn’t technically worth it. The Huawei shit is tricky. I think it can be called a technical “ban” but it’s just so many restrictions that they can’t reasonably function in the US.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 2w

democrats get off on losing they fucking love being the losers they hate themselves so much

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 2w

No one gives a shit about the environment or emissions anymore. The main topic right now is affordability for most Americans. It’s fine to critique some Dem platforms, but if all you do is find yourself critiquing Dem platforms…it’s kind of obvious you’re a shithead.

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Anonymous woodyguthrie 2w

The politicians, sure. But not the voters. I don’t yet really understand what drives people hoping for like, a Kamala round two run. She won’t win, man. She can’t win. And not just because America is racist and sexist, which they are, but because Kamala thinks she’s ENTITLED to the presidency. It’s obvious in the way she talks, and acts. It’s obvious because of how comfortable she is staring the American people dead in the face and saying: “You know Joe Biden? I’m gonna be EXACTLY like him.”

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Anonymous ___joker__ 2w

mind you, solar and EVs would be much more affordable if not for the tariffs, but yk you said it yourself, Democrats serve the interests of capital before they do their constituents. perhaps lift the tariffs and force American automakers to compete rather than enabling them to artificially raise the price of vehicles

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 2w

No one is “hoping” for a Kamala round two lol. No one even brought her up. The only Dem that is essentially making it clear that they’ll be going for a presidential run is Newsom. Even then, it’s so early that anything can happen from now until 2027-2028.

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Anonymous woodyguthrie 2w

Not to mention, she just vanished. She lost to a fascist in a race she could’ve easily won by just leaning SLIGHTLY more populist, even if she didn’t mean it. But the idea of even being perceived as more left wing or more interested in fundamental change was so noxious to her that she WILLINGLY LOST. Then she just left. For six months. Not a word. Now she’s back, what, shilling a book? Gearing up for another shot at it? You don’t deserve it!

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Anonymous ___joker__ 2w

Gawd newsom embarrasses me, guys let’s not rally together with separate white man who also hates poor people 💀

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 2w

but where’s Jill Stein ?? at least Harris wrote a book she could sell

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Anonymous ___joker__ 2w

Homie that’s not true there are absolutely people hoping for a Kamala round two. Maybe that’s not you, and that’s chill I’m more just ranting about something else now. But you don’t have to lie and pretend it’s not a thing, I know plenty of people both interpersonally and online who have spoken about wanting that.

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Anonymous _orangutan 2w

No you’re right, just commit economic suicide by allowing a foreign competitor to kill your own industries. Now THAT’S an idea I never thought of doing.

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Anonymous _orangutan 2w

I mean true but I have always and will continue to despise Jill stein

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Anonymous ___joker__ 2w

Newsom is such garbage, man.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 2w

It’s not. Who the fuck is wanting a Kamala round THREE?

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 2w

The book is also kinda crazy, actually really crazy. Bro loses not just any job position, BUT THE FUCKING PRESIDENCY AND YOU DO A I TOLD YOU SO MOMENT WHERE YOUR JUST KINDA BLAMING EVERYTHING ON BIDEN ( don’t get me wrong he has definitely weight in this, but let’s not fully shift accountability as if there wasn’t WAY more you could have, done/said)

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Anonymous ___joker__ 2w

what killed our industry was allowing capitalists to offshore manufacturing in China, Vietnam, Mexico, etc. in the first place. literally rusted the steel belt into the rust belt and created an opiate epidemic in its place. we solved our acid rain issue though. a shame we shipped off all of our heavy industry to do so

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Anonymous ___joker__ 2w

Lots of people, most of them being wealthy costal type liberals. The same sort of strata of people that would’ve been pro Andrew cuomo I imagine? Although this specific type of liberal I’m thinking of probably would’ve just avoided all of the nyc election because they wouldn’t have wanted a Muslim socialist as mayor but they also wouldn’t want to vote for the racist sex predator.

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Anonymous _orangutan 2w

THATS HER NAME, I’ve been sitting in confusion from not being able to finish a joke I made 2 days ago because Jill has been so MIA I dead ass forgot her name

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Anonymous ___joker__ 2w

Don’t get me wrong this isn’t some massive majority of libs or something. But it’s definitely a big enough portion to be notable. These are like the “oh man I just wish we could go back to Obama :(“ types

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Anonymous selene_vespra 2w

She always does this. She shows up every election, makes a big stink and attempts to pull votes from democrats. She fails, typically, and then vanishes to the kremlin for like 3 years.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 2w

Yeah, and refuse to crown bro drone strike king as if he wasn’t doing some horrendous shit, point of the story. Everyone sucks /hj

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Anonymous selene_vespra 2w

Yea you know the type I’m talking about. This would’ve been like, most libs in 2016. They’re the type that refuses to change in any capacity and continues to act as though they’re watching Saturday night live before the 2016 election.

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Anonymous _orangutan 2w

NAFTA hurt the Midwest, but it didn’t kill the industry. This critique has been made time and time again and most Dems recognize it now. There should have been a quality shift away from those jobs for Midwesterners in those factories instead of being left high and dry. That being said, you’re arguing for the EXACT same thing for wanting Chinese EVs to compete with American EVs. I don’t see you asking for China to move BYD manufacturing plants to the US

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Anonymous ___joker__ 2w

You know what is gonna kill the industry, them damn data centers /hj

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Anonymous selene_vespra 2w

Give it a year for when the bubble pops. Everything is overvalued right now so rough waters ahead 🫡

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Anonymous ___joker__ 2w

Yeah man, that “bubble” is currently our entire economy. It’s all located in that sphere. The moment it pops we are fuuuuuuuuuuuuucked

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Anonymous ___joker__ 2w

I’m like, bracing myself for nightmare world basically.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 2w

Fingers crossed

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 2w

Yeah, I concur (we’re like so so fucked it’s trillions…. And on top of that, they’re driving our bills up, and consuming clean water guzzling it down like the US does to other “underdeveloped” countries and their sweet succulent crude oil

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Anonymous selene_vespra 2w

Yeah we might be cooked man. Idk. Democrats are obviously gonna get power again, but if it’s someone like newsom would be even fuckin stop this? The same people are paying him that pay Trump, and they’d already be doing it.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 2w

a general strike

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Anonymous selene_vespra 2w

I want to believe he’s not *such* a slave to capital that he’d just sell our whole country like Trump. But idk if I believe that to be the case, especially when he doesn’t really have to *actively* do it. He can just let it happen.

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Anonymous _orangutan 2w

(5/1/2028)

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Anonymous _orangutan 2w

We don’t have the organized labor power for a general strike and we would need to fundamentally rework the way our society works to gain that power.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 2w

I get to be the annoying one and bring this up when I go to training for my caucus cause If your gonna fuck me I’d atleast like to know the best route for after care

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Anonymous selene_vespra 2w

Lmao

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 2w

that’s why it is being planned years in advance

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 2w

We need to get involved with the movements working with organizing *cough cough the socialist party* but not just exclusively them, we need people to start getting involving with their communities, but we’re like socially inept as a society right now so banking on people being able to talk to one another, and share empathy is a hard ask

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Anonymous _orangutan 2w

and already has two of the largest American labor unions contracts’ set to expire on that date, the UAW and AFT

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 2w

Not really. I mean it will be bad, but it’s not going to be doomsday tier. It’ll be more like the Dot Com bubble as opposed to something like 2008.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 2w

I think your heavily underestimating how much larger this bubble is

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Anonymous _orangutan 2w

I guess.. Idk. I’m more amenable to Boycotts and strikes than I once was, because I saw it work with conservatives and then I saw it work again with us and Target. But like, mostly they haven’t worked. Mostly they have just been ways for lefties to signal to other lefties that they’re lefties. Which isn’t in and of itself a bad thing, but doesn’t really help the whole country exploding thing. So what makes something like the target and bud light boycott work when we make no ground with others

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Anonymous _orangutan 2w

And how can we apply those lessons? What makes a boycott work in this era we live in, and how can we apply that success to something bigger like a general strike?

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 2w

I mean, idk it was disheartening to see how these brands were able to real in people with cheap deals or what not but there was a few months where they were really hitting them where it hurts, But I don’t think we have the organization or just idk hate to say it “strength” for a general strike, if people caved so hard for McDonalds just because of their annual monopoly game And that stupid ass bear cup Like idk but I don’t think it’s impossible, I just don’t think we’re close to where we

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Anonymous selene_vespra 2w

Need to be for that

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Anonymous selene_vespra 2w

I’m really not. Go listen to any expert on the matter. I think you guys are freaking the fuck out because of social media posts tell you things are going to be fucked. I’m going to assume most of you aren’t exposed to the market so you’ll be fine.

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Anonymous selene_vespra 2w

But tbh I’m not gonna argue down with you over this, because I’m more policy than business

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Anonymous selene_vespra 2w

I’ll listen to this person in a minute. He’s done a two hour convo on his statement so it’ll be interesting to hear. I typically listen to Aswath Damodaran and Paul Krugman. They usually can give decent market takes without being bogged down by political or moral beliefs.

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