Anonymous #1 12w

jokes on them im schizo either way

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Anonymous #1 12w

also it’s not entirely wrong Jesus was (rather famously) born in Palestine. He immigrated to Egypt to avoid persecution by king Herod. He was persecuted by Pontius Pilante, a Roman (modern Italy) governor.

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Anonymous OP 12w

He wouldn’t have been born in Palestine, it didn’t exist then. The name Palestine comes from “Philistine” and the Philistines were Greek. If Jesus did exist, he was born when the region was the Kingdom of Judea.

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Anonymous #3 12w

i get what you mean but its not that deep bro

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Anonymous #3 12w

Palestinians are Arabized Levantines, they are the closest living ethnic descendants of the ancient canaanites and the many other names the region took on through history.

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Anonymous #3 12w

So yes, were Jesus born today, he would be an ethnic Palestinian and citizen of occupied Jerusalem in the West Bank.

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Anonymous OP 12w

It is that deep for a lot of people and simplifying it hurts them.

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Anonymous #1 12w

Nice Mizrahi and Sephardi erasure

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Anonymous #3 12w

lol Mizrahi is a term Ashkenazi colonizers imposed upon Palestinian Jews. Sephardic Jews are Iberian not Levantine

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Anonymous #1 12w

I do not understand the obsession with the name Palestine when it has always and only been used to refer to an occupied territory. It has just been occupied by different groups over time. The Assyrians, Greeks, the Romans, the Byzantines, Ottomans, Islamic Caliphates, the British, Jordan, Egypt, and now Israel.

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Anonymous #3 12w

(And more, but I can’t fit them all)

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Anonymous #1 12w

Additionally, many Jewish families in Arab countries did adopt Sephardic customs and do identify as such.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Yes but Zionists deliberately created the Mirazhi identity to erase the cultural and national identity of arabic speaking Jewish communities all across the Levant. Early Zionist colonizers referred to them as “oriental” and backwards and planned to exploit them as the settler-states primary source of manual hard labor.

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Anonymous #1 12w

If true, that’s awful and should be addressed when all parties in the region get their shit together and choose peace. Every human being has the same right to life, prosperity, and their basic human rights. Calling the Zionists colonizers threatens the lives and human rights of millions of people and singles out the past 100 years while ignoring thousands of years of history.

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Anonymous #1 12w

After the Bar Kokhba revolt (132-135 CE), Rome renamed Judea as "Syria Palaestina" to humiliate the Jewish population and erase their connection to the land. But we don’t hear about that, we only hear about the Nakba. NEITHER are okay, BOTH groups deserve to live freely on that land, and NEITHER can currently be trusted with the safety of the other because they dehumanize each other so much.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Baby 😭 They’re called settlements in the West Bank for a reason. Zionists proudly refer to themselves as colonists and defend colonialism because they believe they are morally purifying the land. I don’t understand how you can say acknowledging that is dangerous when refusing to do so has led to a genocide of the Palestinians.

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Anonymous #1 12w

I am vehemently against the settlements in the West Bank, and I think if Israel continues with it they will destroy themselves. Those individuals are just as extreme and dangerous as Hamas. I don’t use the word genocide that lightly, but I do not support the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by the extreme far right wing Israelis. However, I’m equally disturbed by the antisemitism around and the idea that Israel should not exist. You are assuming my stance on distinct pieces of this puzzle.

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Anonymous #1 12w

brother you can’t call everyone claiming jesus has returned a blasphemer

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Anonymous #3 12w

People don’t think Israel should exist as a Zionist Ethnostate, not that Jews shouldn’t be allowed to live in or visit their holy land. Freeing Palestine means giving Palestinians the right to self-determination and right of return. Not a mass exodus or ethnic cleansing of Israelis. Hamas is a symptom, not the root of the problem. Israel’s persistence to establish its colonial dominance over the Levant is what dangers the Jews living both there and abroad.

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Anonymous #3 12w

The first recorded use of the name Palestine to refer to region was by the Greek historian Herodotus, known as “the Father of History.” This predated Jesus’ birth by several centuries. So no, you’re wrong, it DID exist. And was in fact used by the Greeks. So close, yet no cigar.

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Anonymous #1 12w

Saying Jesus was Palestinian is anachronistic.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Fr. People have Jewish dna too, love when ppl don’t recognize it

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Anonymous #3 12w

Wait until you find out how many different people have appropriated the name Rome.

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Anonymous #5 12w

They are.

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He was born in Bethlehem which is in the West Bank lmfaooo

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Anonymous #10 12w

Palestinian Jewish DNA is still Palestinian lmfaooo

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Wait until you find out how long Israel has existed.

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This is like saying Iran has never existed and it’s actually Persia lmfao. Modern day Palestine, Historic Palestine, Trans-Jordan Palestine, Syria-Palestina, Judea and Sumaria, Canaan, whatever name the land has had the people who have lived there have never changed. Palestinians are not Arabs. They’re Arabized Indigenous Levantines. We call them Palestinian because that is the most recent national and cultural identity they identify with.

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Anonymous #11 12w

The state of Israel has existed since 1948 lmfao

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Anonymous #1 12w

Yeah; that’s not long at all.

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Israel hasn’t even been around for a century, kid.

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Palestinians are not Greek omfg 😭 They’re Levantines, completely different genetically and culturally

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I’ll take that bet. Want to put some money on it, little guy?

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Judea ≠ Israel

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This is so blatantly wrong lmfao. “isn’t recognized in any historic texts” my ass. Herodotus names Palestine as “the region between Syria and Phoenicia” in his “The Histories.” It’s literally on Wikipedia. And was summarily used by Aristotle, Ovid and Plutarch- three of the most prolific writers and philosophers in Greco-Roman history, and all of Western history. Just because YOU can’t do “basic research” (since apparently you’re too stupid to do a Google search) doesn’t mean you’re right.

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Lmfao not even close. Even if Judea is the ancestral homeland of the all Jews, there were people there before and after them. Even the Talmud maintains that Jews are not indigenous to Israel. Abraham was Mesopotamian (modern day Iraq). Jews have lived in Diaspora for thousands of years are genetically and culturally so far removed from their roots they aren’t even comparable to the Jews of Judea. Even the version of Hebrew Israelis speak is a reconstruction, not the original language.

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Palestinians are the decedents of the oldest known inhabitants of the Levant. There were Jewish Palestinian communities all over the Levant before Ashkenazi EUROPEAN Jews colonized it and ethnically cleansed the Palestinians in the Nakba.

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Lmfao this is absolutely false. Wikipedia is an excellent resource for finding sources on subjects- you’re just not supposed to cite Wikipedia itself. But since you can’t even do that, here’s the sources you want: “Herodotus’ Description of the East Mediterranean Coast,” https://web.archive.org/web/20210729193212/http://dev.carta-jerusalem.com/node/7

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“When Palestine Met Israel,” Biblical Archaeology Review: https://web.archive.org/web/20110725184107/http://cojs.org/cojswiki/When_Palestine_Meant_Israel%2C_David_Jacobson%2C_BAR_27%3A03%2C_May/Jun_2001.

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“Palestine and Israel,” Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research: https://www.jstor.org/stable/164341

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Are you being purposefully dense? I’m gonna end this conversation here because we just went in a huge fucking circle

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Are you illiterate? “No mention in historical texts” HERODOTUS WROTE ABOUT IT. 400 YEARS BEFORE JESUS WAS BORN.

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So you are just completely illiterate then. That explains so much about just how you achieved this level of brain drudgery.

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Also this is blatantly false lmao. Go into any college history department and they’ll tell you that looking at Wikipedia’s sources and citations is good resource for research. Just don’t cite what’s written on Wikipedia itself. Source: my fucking BA in history.

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I didn’t cite Wikipedia. Show me where I cited Wikipedia. All my links were to scholarly journals and historical publications. Go ahead. Show me where I cited Wikipedia. I’ll wait. 😂

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Anonymous #3 12w

It doesn’t matter what they are called they deserve freedom and equality

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Actually Israel refused the 2-state solution at the Camp David talks, because Palestine would receive 96% control of East Jerusalem. Israel is also the one who manipulated Gaza’s elections to put Hamas in power, and supplied money to Hamas for decades. Israel also, y’know, let 10/7 happen. Israeli intelligence documented and alerted IDF high command and the Prime Minister’s office about a massive Hamas buildup, but was told to ignore it. So. The Israeli government is at fault as much as Hamas.

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You know those little numbers that are scattered throughout a Wikipedia article? It’s going to blow your mind when you find out what those are for.

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Anonymous #13 12w

bro i posted this and smoked a bowl right after and I came back like an hour ago to read comments

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Anonymous #1 12w

Jews are in fact indigenous to the levant, because like Palestinians, Lebanese etc. they are all descendants of various canaanite people. Hebrew today is a reconstruction because the language had died out in daily use, and required many changes to be suitable to modern life. Is English fake because it is different than Old English?

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Anonymous #18 12w

Nah but English never died out in daily use In fact, it’s only gotten more popular globally since it was first a distinct language

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Anonymous #15 12w

Colonialism and imperialism have that effect, yeah.

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