Anonymous #1 7w

You guys are actually so fucking stupid

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Anonymous #1 7w

Sex ed isn’t weird sex stuff moron

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Anonymous OP 7w

Well you posted that in response to someone saying that it’s bad to have graphic sexual books in elementary school libraries… can you atleast admit that that is a bad thing?

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Anonymous #1 7w

Obviously, that’s not what sex education is

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Anonymous #1 7w

You guys are genuinely incapable of having a nuanced conversation and it’s embarrassing

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Anonymous #1 7w

Do you not remember what Josh Duggar did

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Anonymous OP 7w

Nobody brought up general sex education dude the original post YOU replied to with your lil Hulu show was not talking about sex ed but what I mentioned previously. Lock in, let’s try to follow basic sequential logic here now

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Anonymous #1 7w

What is weird about educating kids about what to expect when going through pubescence? What sex ed have *you* seen, if that's what you assume it to be?

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Anonymous #1 7w

They were clearly talking about how liberals think sex ed is important to teach to kids, WHICH IT IS

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Anonymous OP 7w

Also, your seeming obsession and passion about ensuring little kids know all about sex, suggests to me that you are in need of some serious and deep self reflection. I might also suggest possibly talking to someone as well

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Anonymous #1 7w

How is having concern over the wellbeing of others an "obsession"?

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Anonymous #1 7w

Oh my god😭 it helps protect them you dumb fucking idiot why are you against that? This is why I said you guys are incapable of having nuanced conversations

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Anonymous yellow_socks67 7w

I don’t know, when I have a concern over the wellbeing of babies everyone calls it an obsession so let me know. Also, I don’t really agree with the line of reasoning that your knowledge about sexual topics really affects your “wellbeing”😭😭 yo go onto google and search up the definition of wellbeing because you are definitely unaware of such

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Anonymous #1 7w

Concern over women having bodily autonomy*

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Anonymous #1 7w

And if you cared about the wellbeing of babies they grow up into young kids and sex education helps protect them so you should be all for it

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Anonymous #1 7w

Babies are going to school for sex es? What reality do you live in? Also, yes, sex does have an effect on your wellbeing, especially if you're a child who is being abused by an adult and doesn't know that what they're doing is inappropriate. Sex ed aims to educate them to prevent them from being in such scenarios.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Hell, educating teens on the bare minimums of wearing a condom can help them from getting infected with diseases that can affect them for life. I don't know why this is objectable except to people who seem to not understand what a school even is.

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Anonymous yellow_socks67 7w

No I was referring to my concern about the mass genocide of innocent babies in this country and around the world. I will say though, your point you brought up about abuse is the only valid point I have ever heard in support of your position. However, as a whole, exposing little kids to such subjects and material will cause much worse damage to the brains of little kids and society as a whole than the alternative

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Anonymous OP 7w

Not their body, not their choice

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Anonymous #1 7w

THAT IS THE ENTIRE POINT😭😭😭

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Anonymous #1 7w

“The only valid point” brother that’s is the entire argument. Sex ed offers kids the knowledge to understand and call out abuse when it happens to them

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Anonymous OP 7w

If you’re so concerned about the wellbeing being of young kids, can you admit it is a bad thing that over 1,000,000 babies are murdered in America every year?

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Anonymous #1 7w

No one is saying to expose little kids to sex. Explaining to them that there are certain areas adults shouldn't touch you in and that they should tell someone if anyone is is not going to do lasting damage to them. You can educate kids about that sort of thing at a level that is appropriate to them.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Abortion isn’t murder stop dehumanizing women

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Anonymous #1 7w

Frankly I'm glad that 1M babies don't have to be mistreated in our country. It's hard being a kid nowadays.

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Anonymous OP 7w

You misunderstood. I meant the mother doesn’t get to decide what happens to another person’s body (her baby). Not her body, not her choice.

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Anonymous OP 7w

You’re dehumanizing babies?

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Anonymous yellow_socks67 7w

Not even responding to this because of how disgusting that statement is. You clearly have no set of values whatsoever and have no respect for human life, natural rights, or anything good and true.

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Anonymous #1 7w

These conversations are hard to have but sometimes the hard ones are necessary. Explaining this concept will help to protect children from people who CAN and WILL do even more damage to them if the abuse is allowed to continue. Educating a child on basic safety with strangers, especially when they make physical approaches like that, is important as someone, especially a child, in that situation may simply freeze or comply if they don't feel certain on what to do.

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Anonymous yellow_socks67 7w

Right so teaching little kids about sex is going to stop them from getting kidnapped or abused. Got itttt totally agree

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Anonymous #1 7w

So bc it doesn’t stop all abuse it’s useless ? Why do you not care about the safety of kids?😭

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Anonymous #1 7w

That's not teaching kids about sex. Teaching kids that strangers may try to hurt them isn't sex. What's wrong with you?

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Anonymous #1 7w

You don't have to (and shouldn't) have to describe graphic sex acts to explain to someone that strangers are dangerous. I'm concerned about how you were raised as a child if "stranger danger" education is offensive to you.

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Anonymous yellow_socks67 7w

This is actually the most disingenuous method of debate I have ever seen in my life- started out with a discussion of graphic sex content in elementary school and somehow thru your incoherent lines of logic you somehow brought that to making it look like I am against teaching basic safety to kids. You are a bunch of college liberals so i shouldn’t have expected any better😭

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Anonymous yellow_socks67 7w

Also any of your “noble” opinions about protecting children just gets immediately cancelled out by your support of the literal genocide of babies in this country

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Anonymous #1 7w

I started with teaching basic stranger danger, you are the one consistently conflating it with graphic sex acts. Again, I am *very* concerned with how you were raised as a child if you think the two are comparable.

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Anonymous #1 7w

This goes for all of yall by the way

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Anonymous #1 7w

So are you for or against sex education? I’m confused

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Anonymous #1 7w

Also you’re the one who changed to topic to abortion once you realized your argument was flawed😭

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Anonymous OP 7w

The*

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Anonymous #1 7w

I mean, they're not babies, but go off.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Get off your soapbox, the two people here don't care lol

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Anonymous OP 7w

Also no I brought up abortion to point out the obvious contradiction in your logic. How about we protect the babies, the most innocent and vulnerable people on this planet, and once we make sure babies stop getting murdered, then we can talk about their education. Sound good?

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Anonymous #1 7w

When we start caring about the kids who are here, then we can have a conversation about protecting fetuses, too. Alright?

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Anonymous #1 7w

Abortion isn’t murder and why would we focus more on fetuses than kids who are alive and well right now? What is that logic lmao. Even if I was anti abortion you can still do both😭🙏🏻

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Anonymous #1 7w

Even if sex education isn't the answer, we need to do more to ensure the safety and welfare of children in this nation. They are sorely lacking and driving people's desire to not have children.

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Anonymous OP 7w

I am totally supportive of sex ed, I never said I wasn’t. I support an straight to the point scientific and abstinence based sex education in either upper middle school or high school. I never came on here initially opposing sex ed, I came on here opposing the promotion of graphic sexual content in elementary schools which is what the initial post was about which YOU took issue with

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Anonymous yellow_socks67 7w

1. What species is a fetus? 2. Do you know what the word “fetus” means? 3. If the preborn baby is not a baby in your degenerative opinion, when do you think it becomes a baby?

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Anonymous #1 7w

What about sex education in elementary school that isn’t graphic and simply gives kids the tools to recognize and report abuse? Because you can say that they’re too young to have sex, that is true, but no one is too young to potentially be abused and they should have the resources and proper education to recognize that. Why is that so bad?

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Women should be allowed to freely get abortions in the first trimester, the second only in certain cases, and only the third if it poses a threat to the life of the mother or the infant. I don't determine a fetus' viability by determining "when it becomes human" because that is a purely subjective statement.

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Anonymous #1 7w

The original post is a misrepresentation of a liberal talking point. They're very clearly taking issue with the misrepresentation.

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Anonymous OP 7w

Because the societal detriment that would come from sex being taught to elementary schoolers would be terrible. I’m fully supportive of basic, even thorough education about safety and everything like that. I had education like that at my public elementary school when taught by the local sheriff’s department and it was very very beneficial. But you’re not going to teach my kids about sex before they can do division no way

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Anonymous #1 7w

Yes, that's what I'm talking about. No one said anything about teaching kids sex.

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Anonymous yellow_socks67 7w

That is a fairly reasonable position I’ll give you that. I think you had a little Freudian slip there when you said “infant” there, but why is a third trimester baby more worthy of protection than a first trimester?

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Anonymous #1 7w

Brother you are arguing with points no one is making 😭 so you agree?

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Anonymous yellow_socks67 7w

OP has been talking about sex to elementary schoolers the whole time, keep in mind I’ve been responding to you both the whole time

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Anonymous #1 7w

NO I HAVENT JESUS CHRIST

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Anonymous #1 7w

They haven't been, you're misrepresenting their argument in bad faith.

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Anonymous #1 7w

In the third trimester the procedure to perform an abortion is riskier than in earlier trimesters and may cause harm to the mother.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Once again, sex ed isn’t the same as teaching them about sex directly

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Anonymous #1 7w

Like how are you misconstruing my argument this bad

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Anonymous #1 7w

The reply is to the misrepresentation OP is making, not the literal text of their post.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Like did you not read the post you literally screenshotted😭

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Anonymous OP 7w

Argue with a wall yall support the mass murder of innocent babies

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Anonymous #1 7w

Once again proving you can’t have a nuanced conversation lol

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Anonymous #1 7w

Like we literally agree you’re just scared of the word sex for some reason lmao

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Anonymous OP 7w

Bro I literally laid out my entire view about sex education like 20 messages ago, yall are now just trying to get a gotcha off on me with parallel arguments and red herrings. But yall still will not answer the 3 questions I posed about abortion, because deep down in your conscious you know your position on abortion is evil and morally indefensible

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Anonymous #1 7w

Except for saying it’s subjective when you think a “fetus” becomes a baby which is a crazy statement because what other thing in the entire examination of anatomy and physiology is subjective???

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Anonymous #1 7w

Yall need to chill out and listen to the R.E.M. song called the same as this documentary or whatever

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Anonymous OP 7w

Oh I just don’t want the public school system teaching MY future kids about the most intimate and private thing ever when they’re too young and at a lower stage of brain development than required to safely navigate life with that kind of knowledge

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Anonymous #1 7w

But nah I don’t think it’s any more “evil” than infant mortality rate being like 50%+ for millennia

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Anonymous #1 7w

I’m not paying attention to your abortion arguments bc that’s not the discussion we’re having, and I will always support a women’s right to choose. YOU are the one who keeps misrepresenting my arguments when you have stated that it’s important for kids to have the information needed to stay safe. Sometimes that falls under sex ed, not learning different sex positions, but just having the vocabulary and ability to recognize and report abuse. THAT IS IT.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Having reasonable limitations is a good thing to want. I think you’re seeing it as though because the system allows for that stuff to go unchecked, it should be outright banned though, rather than working to compromise on reasonable limits

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Anonymous #3 7w

Right so intentionally taking the life of a baby is the same as the majority of the world not having access to adequate hygienic conditions and modern western medicine 900 years ago….. I hope you’re not an engineering major because that might’ve been the dumbest statement I’ve ever heard made in politics

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Anonymous #1 7w

I never said it’s the same. I said it’s no more evil. God has a plan for everyone. Sometimes, that means never being born in the first place. That’s just reality.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Hey! Did you know children can become pregnant as young as 8 years old? I know shocker. And having sex ed in elementary school was the only reason i didn’t freak out when i first got my period. Children have the right to know what is happening/going to happen to their own fucking bodies.

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Anonymous #4 7w

Yeah it wasn’t until I went through sex ed that I even realized I was SA’d in first grade. Had no clue what was happening at the time.

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Anonymous #3 7w

I’m gonna say a prayer for you for using the Father’s name to support abortion, however a baby dying during labor or a miscarriage is of nobody’s fault. Abortion is the INTENTIONAL murder of a baby. A complication during child birth is quite a bit different than cutting the skull of a baby open and removing the brains with a vacuum, or taking a pill to forcibly stop the heart of Your. Own. Child.

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Anonymous #1 7w

You’re right, but still, god allows both to happen.

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Anonymous #4 7w

Agreed, but that’s not the public school systems responsibility to discuss the intimate workings of children’s bodies with them. That is the responsibility of a children’s parents and the government has no right violate those parental rights

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Anonymous #1 7w

i’m not sure if we’ve talked b4 😭. but i feel and have always felt very uneasy about mentioning or teaching sex to young kids because of a moral dilemma but it isn’t the same moral dilemma that you’re talking about and the “can you at least admit it’s bad that..” come off strong to me and make it hard for me to want to come together with you to protect children and sex ed, which saddens me

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Anonymous #3 7w

Capital G by the way. God also allows murder, rape, pedophilia, terrorism, etc to happen should we just make all those legal too ???

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Anonymous #1 7w

We were given free will. If he didn’t want any sin, we wouldn’t have autonomy. I get it dude. My dad, sister, and uncle are all adopted. My entire family wouldn’t exist if their parents chose to abort. I don’t like abortion. But, I understand sometimes it is truly the better option for someone. I believe that the freedom to choose is more important to god.

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Anonymous #1 7w

sorry i’m thinking abt my friends.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Yk parents can assault their children right? In a perfect world parents should be the ones to teach their kids, but them learning about just enough to give them the proper tools to navigate abuse is a good thing, and could be taught in a safe environment like school

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Anonymous #4 7w

wb parental teaching? like it’s less likely for it to become harmful when parents are teaching it than schools or other adults imhoo

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Anonymous OP 7w

oh truee.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Obviously not. But, one of those things “thou shall not kill” is legal in certain circumstances. Particularly, when saving one owns life or when they feel an immediate threat

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Anonymous OP 7w

but like we wouldn’t even be having this conversation if everyone acted the way #1 did is what i mean 😭.

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Anonymous #3 7w

Ok clearly you haven’t even read Genesis before, I encourage you too! But God never wanted sin in this world, it was the fall of man that brought sin into the world. I agree that abortion may seem like the easier option for a lot of people (which is why 98% of abortions in America are for convenience) but it is not and never will be ok to discard an truly innocent human life in order to make your life easier

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Anonymous #1 7w

Nah I’ve read the Bible cover to cover. Genesis was thousands of years before written history. So, oral tradition only has so much truth. Again, I know he didn’t want sin, but he wanted us to *choose* not to sin, not be forced not to sin

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Anonymous #3 7w

Thou shou not kill unless its an innocent baby according to you

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Anonymous #1 7w

I generally have the same moral belief as you. But, I think it’s unreasonable to enforce my particular world view on a country with an extremely diverse world view. The freedom of choice gives people the ability to not only sin, but actually be repentful

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Anonymous #3 7w

I get what you’re saying totally, but I don’t care if other people have diverse world views. I’m going to stand up for what I believe in, point out an obvious evil, and try to protect the most innocent and beautiful of God’s creations, babies. I encourage you to read Matthew 21:12-13.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I understand where you’re coming from too. I think we just fundamentally disagree agree on what God values most: his creation vs the free will he’s given us. The way I see it, God wouldn’t want us policing other people’s sins. He also wouldn’t want people to be forced to live the way he wants us to, but rather choose to. I’ve put a lot of thought and prayer into this. Since coming to the revelation that the choice and desire to walk his path is what he wants, I’ve felt much closer to Him

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Anonymous #3 7w

🤲💓

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Anonymous #3 7w

hii can i ask when dyt free will is harmful if at all

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Anonymous #3 7w

If that’s true, then explain the Flood? What was God’s reason for the flood again?

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Anonymous #1 7w

judgment for sin

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Anonymous #1 7w

Well tbh I think the flood isn’t an accurate story to begin with. It’s a near exact replica of 3 prior ancient Mesopotamian myths, with the oldest being written like 2,000 years before the first Hebrew recording of the flood (which just so happened to be after they were captured by Babylon)

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Anonymous #1 7w

what was His reason for it?

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Anonymous #3 7w

Ohhhh so you’re just a squish who disregards half the Bible, I’m sure explains away anything remotely controversial under “dated Levitical law”, and uses Free Will and Repentance as a justification to do whatever you want!

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Anonymous #1 7w

what? 😭

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Anonymous #5 7w

I do think so, in a certain perspective. Like if you want to 100% ensure the survival of your creation, herd, etc, you’d make it so that they have very limited choices and freedoms. That said though, I think free will is partially what allows us to be as intelligent as we are. If we were solely driven on animalistic survival instinct, we wouldn’t have created such intricate society. I think free will is ultimately a necessity to have a thriving, functioning, and sustainable society

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Anonymous #5 7w

Because the vast majority of people were committing a significant excess of wickedness, sin, violence, and sexual degeneracy. But according to #3 over here that should’ve made God happy since they were just all exercising their free will! Which apparently is the most important thing to God..?

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Anonymous #1 7w

Nah dawg, I trust the word of god. But, the Bible is not 100% the word of god. It is mostly the word of men. There absolutely is gods true word in there, I just think it takes a much more thorough walk with god through the Bible than just accepting every single thing written as fact

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Anonymous #1 7w

Hmm. i def don’t think it is esp in Christianity

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Anonymous #3 7w

i kinda understand that’s interesting

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Anonymous #3 7w

Hmm.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Esp with the Old Testament. I think we need to hold it to the same historical scrutiny that we would the epic of Gilgamesh, Homers work, etc

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Anonymous #1 7w

God doesn’t like sin. I don’t like sin. God doesn’t want people to be forced not to sin. He wants them to choose not to sin.

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Anonymous #3 7w

I have 63,779 reasons why you are wrong of that

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Anonymous #3 7w

it is j bc people are His creation

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Anonymous #1 7w

Wrong about what?

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Anonymous #5 7w

Yo 3 what do you think God’s chief purpose for man is during our life on Earth here

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Anonymous #5 7w

What is

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Anonymous #3 7w

That the Bible is not fully the word of God, and a living book

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Anonymous #1 7w

their goodness in Him. j that

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Anonymous #5 7w

I’m not quite sure what you’re asking, but I have a pretty nuanced view of what Gods purpose is for us. I don’t think he wanted to make us to be completely subservient to him. I think he created us (in essence) to create something beautiful. I think enforcing a strict limit on what we are and are not allowed to do would defeat the concept of what it means to be human. Like for example- in a relationship it’s not healthy to demand someone act a certain way to get love.

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Anonymous #3 7w

Ideally, you want to be your best version of yourself for them. I see a relationship with God the same way

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Anonymous #1 7w

I think it’s beyond our understanding right now. I think if he were to speak to us today, it’d be similar to creating a SIMS universe. Where something far more powerful in a whole other plane of existence shapes the world, but wants to see people go about their lives

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Anonymous #1 7w

Perhaps God was lonely, and wanted to create something to have a relationship with. Something to care about. To nurture

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Anonymous #3 7w

Honestly I think you have gotten yourself pretty deep into some very heretic theology, I don’t blame you it sounds pretty good, but I would encourage you to explore some possible alternative perspectives and maybe seek out some more actual real theology because you seem like you have a lot of good and pure intentions I think youve gone down the “feel good Christianity” doctrine rabbit hole into blasphemous territories. Praying for you always

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Anonymous #1 7w

I know, my views are very unconventional. Quite frankly though given my current knowledge and experience in science and history, I cannot fully trust the word of the Bible. I don’t mean that I believe God is wrong, I just believe men are. Even if what they said was true from their understanding of the world, they’d probably explain things WAYYYY differently if it happened today with modern knowledge.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I will say this too - I encourage you to seek a more personal connection to God than what institutional Christians may tell you. I appreciate your prayers and concern. I promise you I always keep an open mind, and will continue to question my beliefs with new perspectives. I’ll be praying for you, and everyone here, too

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Anonymous #1 7w

"An offspring of a human or other mammal in the stages of prenatal development that follow the embryo stage." Humnas are called "newborns" when they are first born, so I'd consider around that time, I guess. Though I don't normally question when that starts or ends.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Damn bro I didn’t know they still gave lobotomies in the year of our lord 2025, how’d it feel?

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