Anonymous #2 23h

Ok

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Anonymous #4 21h

It’s a lot more complex than that but why would I expect nuance here

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Anonymous #1 21h

It’s pretty straightforward what happened, Stalin stole from Ukrainian farmers and caused millions of Ukrainian citizens to starve to death

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Anonymous #4 21h

See there you go, exactly what I mean. IMO it was a result of compounding factors, including rapid industrialization and collectivization (both of which were reckless in pace), Ukraine already being a famine prone region, unscientific agricultural practices (i.e. lysenkoism, which more shows the dangers of nepotism than the dangers of communism), and bad communications. There are probably a few more I’m missing here too. It was also the last major famine in the Soviet Union.

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Anonymous #1 21h

So while yes, it was probably man-made and certainly exacerbated by human action, the evidence leads me to believe that it was not intentionally created, and that is an important difference.

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Anonymous #1 21h

My brother there is plenty of evidence showing the Russians did it intentionally

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Anonymous #4 21h

Would you mind presenting it?

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Anonymous #1 21h

For one he was warned countless times of the starving people and ignored it, he had unrealistic grain quotas enforced as people were starving while being aware they were starving (something like 20,000 people were dying a day), Ukrainian citizens who left to find food were arrested and either jailed or sent back to where they came by secret police, and the soviets tried to conceal the whole thing to hide responsibility after around 3.9 million people died

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Anonymous #4 19h

You mean a literal famine? One that was exacerbated by the greed of the landowners who decided to slaughter their animals and burn their crops rather than feed their fellow man?

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Anonymous #1 19h

You're over complicating it and #4 has it entirely backwards

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Anonymous #4 19h

Capitalist propaganda, get the fuck outta my comment section

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Anonymous OP 19h

Is communist propaganda pretending like genocide doesn’t happen? Got it

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Anonymous #4 19h

Believe the capitalists, they definitely don't have any vested interest in making communism look bad or anything

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Anonymous OP 19h

Better to overcomplicate it than to render it one dimensional as #4 did imo

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Anonymous OP 19h

I believe the Ukrainians, they hold a Holodomor Remembrance Day the fourth Saturday of November and also strongly teach it in education. Maybe you should look into it rather than just talk out your ass

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Anonymous #4 19h

I don't believe them bc they're Nazis

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