Anonymous troybolton12 1d

Anti freedom and and anti forced pregnancy

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Anonymous #3 23h

Forced pregnancy 😂😂😂

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Anonymous #1 21h

Well I guess if the alternative is killing a human being I am pro birth yeah

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Anonymous #5 20h

Thanks for self-identifying as misogynist.

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Anonymous #5 20h

The choice to not be pregnant for 9 months, go through childbirth, and then raise a child?

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Anonymous #6 20h

and also the choice TO do all those things!

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Anonymous #6 20h

I’m not at all against people choosing whether or not to conceive a child. That’s completely up to them

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Anonymous #1 20h

Because I’m opposed to violently murdering baby girls for being girls via abortion? Yeah I’m such a misogynist for being critical of the procedure that caused 40 million girls to be “missing” in China

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Anonymous #5 20h

then why did you ask?

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Anonymous #5 20h

Infanticide and abortion are separate terms. Read a dictionary. Then read a history book.

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Anonymous #1 20h

It’s called sex selective abortion which is considered to be a form of violence against women.

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Anonymous #6 20h

Because abortion involves killing a child that was already conceived, at which point it becomes wrong. You can make a choice to not raise a child, that also doesn’t give you the right to kill the child once you’ve created it before or after birth.

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Anonymous #5 20h

Ok and your solution to helping women in China is taking away women’s rights in America? Maybe if you eschewed the bad faith arguments and talked about solutions instead of how you FEEL, we could get somewhere. But removing the choice from women puts you on the same morality level as the people killing baby girls.

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Anonymous #1 20h

My solution is outlawing the killing of children

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Anonymous #1 20h

Also Sex selective abortion absolutely happens in America as well, to a lesser degree but it absolutely still happens. And the first step to solving that is making it illegal to kill unborn children in the womb at all

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Anonymous #5 19h

That’s not a solution. That’s putting desperate people into desperate situations because of how you feel. You won’t stop abortions by making it illegal. You’re simply making people risk their health for a child they can’t provide for.

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Anonymous #1 19h

You don’t have to conceive a child if you don’t want to. We don’t stop violent crime completely by making it illegal but it’s good that it is. Also pro lifers literally have tons of free services to help struggling parents, feel free to volunteer at a CPC if you want to help.

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Anonymous #5 19h

durRr i dOnt hAVe AN ISsUe WItH YoUr choicE to mAKE A bABY! yeah nobody was talking about that you troglodyte. stop playing/being stupid

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Anonymous #7 19h

I can call anti infanticide laws “pro forced parentification” but that doesn’t make it true does it

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Anonymous #7 19h

Except they literally were because they said “the choice to not be pregnant for nine months, to go through childbirth and raise a child.” You don’t have to become pregnant or raise a child. Problem solved

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Anonymous #5 19h

well actually it does. parents are in fact forced by law to parent unless they are deemed unfit. not the gotcha you thought it was; kinda just proving my point that the framing is subjective and at the end of the day you are in support of criminalizing abortion which means you are in favor of forced incubation and birth. dummy

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Anonymous #5 19h

they literally weren't. your comment is standalone

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Anonymous #7 19h

And you’re in favor of forcing people to be parents by law and making it illegal for them to kill their children???

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Anonymous #5 19h

you replied to the post which says nothing about "the choice not to be pregnant"

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Anonymous #7 19h

I thought you meant me replying to #6 since that is when I said I don’t have an issue with people choosing whether or not to have a baby

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Anonymous #5 19h

i never made a prescriptive claim you moron. that's a descriptive claim. learn the difference before you start philosophical arguments

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Anonymous #7 19h

I was responding to #6 who referenced the choice not to be pregnant for nine months, which is why I said I don’t care if someone chooses not to be pregnant.

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Anonymous #7 19h

You just said “well actually it (referring to anti infanticide laws being forced parentification since that’s what I brought up” does. Parents are in fact forced by law to be parents unless the law deems them unfit.” So are you saying you support that

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Anonymous #5 19h

I mean that's one way to phrase it

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Anonymous #5 19h

the amount of mental gymnastics to not admit you're pro forced birth is hilarious

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Anonymous #7 19h

I'm lowkey more a supporter of contraceptives and safe sex then fetal termination and murder but ok pro forced birth sounds

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Anonymous #7 19h

Are you pro forced parentification

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Anonymous troybolton12 19h

Same!

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Anonymous #3 19h

Atp just make murder legal lol

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Anonymous #5 19h

I agreed with you until this comment, SA is forced conception so not it’s not always this simple

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Anonymous #7 19h

People give up their kids for adoption all the time though

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Anonymous #5 19h

It's not forced if you didn't take precautions and also giving them up

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Anonymous #8 18h

I mean based on principle, i don’t think people should be forced to conceive kids if they don’t want to. Sometimes that happens which is an incredibly terrible thing, and it shouldn’t happen. That’s my position

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Anonymous #5 18h

It is definitely terrible and it’s not sometimes, it happens very very often. Like every day kind of often. I’m on the fence about it because im an SA survivor and people who live through this didn’t choose to get pregnant and the fetus didn’t choose to be conceived but also harming it because of someone else’s evilness also isn’t cool in my opinion. It’s a push and pull for me

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Anonymous #5 15h

okay first off no one’s okay with people killing their child AFTER birth. But also, even pretending that a fetus is a living child that can be killed, no living thing has the right to use another living things body without their consent. If the mother does not consent to being pregnant, she has the right to abort the fetus. Women are people not incubators.

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Anonymous #6 15h

Yeah I agree. And just like it’s wrong to kill a child after birth because you don’t want to raise it, it’s wrong to kill a child before birth if you don’t want to raise it. I’m not sure what exactly you think a fetus is but it’s objectively a living human being, and a human being in an early stage of development is a child. All living things have a right to not be killed. You cannot kill a breastfeeding infant, for example, just because it’s dependent on your body to live.

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Anonymous #5 14h

A breastfeeding infant is not dependent on one person to survive. It can be fed by anyone who is lactating or by formula in a bottle. Perhaps fetus was the wrong word to use, most abortions happen when it is still an embryo, which is a clump of cells. Sure, it has the potential to become a baby, but so do individual sperm and egg cells. No one considers those to be killed babies though.

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Anonymous #6 14h

And again, it does not have the right to use the mother’s body against her will. The adult (hopefully 😭) and alive woman gets to choose whether she wants to be pregnant or not.

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Anonymous #6 14h

So is it being dependent on one person or being dependent on someone else’s body? Formula was not a thing throughout most of human history and many places today still don’t have access to it. People in the US don’t have access to it. If you could breastfeed your baby but decide not to and it starves, is that not neglect?

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Anonymous #6 14h

You get to choose whether you want to be pregnant or not. You get to choose whether you want to be a parent or not. You don’t get to kill your living human child after it was conceived because you don’t want to be a parent anymore. And an embryo is a living human organism. All humans are clumps of cells. That’s what being a living organism entails usually

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Anonymous #6 14h

Individual sperm and egg are not human organisms which is why no one cares about them. A zygote is the first stage of development of a human being.

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Anonymous #5 14h

Obv people care about them and is a cell living or no living

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Anonymous troybolton12 14h

A cell is alive but we care about whole human organisms, not just the cells that are part of them.

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Anonymous troybolton12 14h

Idk who cares about sperm and eggs? Anyway the whole point of the person I was responding to is that people don’t care about those so not sure what you’re saying

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Anonymous #5 13h

parentification is when a child is forced to adopt the roles and responsibilities of an adult before its age appropriate. are you asking if i support that, or asking if i support laws that criminalize child neglect?

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Anonymous #8 13h

if you give up children for adoption you are legally no longer a parent of that child. that's also not the same as not having a legal obligation to care for your offspring. up until that child is put up for adoption that parent is absolutely legally required to parent them; regardless of long term intentions

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Anonymous #7 13h

You can give them up for adoption directly after delivery so no you have zero obligation to that child lmao

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Anonymous troybolton12 13h

right. so you're pro forced incubation and forced birth. idk why you're all so adamant on trying to reframe it. no amount of mental gymnastics changes that

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Anonymous #8 11h

are you illiterate? can you read? genuine questions; please answer honestly

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Anonymous #7 9h

Do you support laws that mandate people take responsibility for their biological offspring

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Anonymous #5 8h

i reject the framing of the question. i support laws that ensure guardians (whether biological, foster, adoptive, legal guardians, etc.) take responsibility for their kids. parents are obligated by law to do this unless they are deemed unfit or legally give up their parenthood

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Anonymous #7 8h

What’s unclear? You said people have to parent those children not matter how short term, I’m telling you that no parenting has to be involved other than carrying it and labor and to me that’s not even being a parent. There literally is no obligation other than nourishing the baby and making sure it’s not physically injured and tbh a lot of people don’t even care to do that and the baby has to suffer for it. It didn’t ask to be here just as it didn’t ask to die either

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Anonymous #8 7h

you support forced incubating and birthing. i don't you brought up laws against infanticide; infancy is a stage of development of a *born* baby. a fetus is not an infant. abortion is not infanticide you misused the word "parentification" to ask me if i support laws that mandate biological parents care for their kids; i said no because i only care that legal guardians provide for children under their care got it?

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Anonymous #7 6h

I’m not actually the one who brought up the laws or infanticide, I was just saying that no one is entitled to be a parent

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