Anonymous OP 6d

this is a totally sane and normal take

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Anonymous #2 6d

they don’t really have you been to france

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Anonymous #2 6d

It’s a similar pattern to language shift among Hispanics in the USA. After the third generation, Arab communities are completely shifted to the French language

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Anonymous #2 6d

the algerians are a different case as a lot of them feel they have always been french

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Anonymous magenta_lungs 6d

I.. I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not, I get it seems contradictory to be both pro cultural preservation and pro immigration but we can’t just close ourselves off.

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Anonymous magenta_lungs 6d

There’s a difference between the first generation of immediate immigrants and their descendants. In the USA, almost all Spanish language use is first generation immigrants and their children. By the third generation, Hispanic Americans have shifted to English.

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Anonymous OP 6d

no i get it for sure. the solution to cultural preservation doesn’t have to be no immigration it can just be more careful immigration

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Anonymous #2 6d

That’s good, I don’t care about a persons race or ethnicity but like France is one of the most culturally rich places in Europe! Well maybe next to Italy. I’ve fallen for the fear mongering I think lol

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Anonymous #2 6d

I honestly view the assimilationist policy of European governments towards their own ethnic minorities as a bigger threat to cultural preservation. Immigration isn’t what is threatening Occitan, Basque, Breton, and Alsatian culture. It’s pro-Parisian assimilation by the government.

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Anonymous #2 6d

sure, but what do you do with the first gen immigrants who can’t speak the language well and therefore aren’t given services adequately

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Anonymous #2 6d

See that’s also a problem I feel. I like ALL cultures!

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Anonymous #2 6d

I also am the type that likes cultural diversity and language preservation all around so I like it when immigrant communities preserve their language and culture. Like i think the decline in German and Italian language use in the USA is a shame.

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Anonymous magenta_lungs 6d

Well, France is a country with a national language so I feel that’s a requirement isn’t it?… you wouldn’t go to move to Japan and not learn Japanese

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Anonymous magenta_lungs 6d

Oh that’s absolutely a problem. It’s one of the big reasons why assisting immigrant communities in learning the dominant language is important AND why it’s important to provide services in their native language before they have learned French

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Anonymous OP 6d

you’d be surprised how many immigrants venture to places with little to no knowledge of the language

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Anonymous magenta_lungs 6d

I’m aware, I’ve been an American tourist

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Anonymous OP 6d

I think the thing about France is that the dominance of the French language has a particular imperial history. Modern “French” isn’t the historical language of France. It’s the specific dialect spoken around Paris which was then standardized as the national language following the French Revolution. So for centuries, Parisian French has been pushed onto French ethnic minorities in the name of national unity

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Anonymous #2 6d

Is kind of like in the USA, how the people who are super “everyone needs to speak English when they move here” are often also hostile to Native American languages which have been here forever. It’s more than just “adapt to your new county” there’s a language supremacy thing going on too

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Anonymous #2 6d

that’s for sure true but it doesn’t mean france doesn’t have a right to protect its national identity however the government and the people of france see that

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Anonymous magenta_lungs 6d

Yea I absolutely think that and tbh I think France is so culturally strong that they won’t have much problem with it. I just don’t view the maintenance of immigrant culture (with ya know ability to speak the common language and stuff) as something bad. It adds to the cultural richness of a country.

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