Anonymous #1 2w

No uterus = no opinion because it’s her choice to go through the trauma of pregnancy and childbirth not his. If he bails he’s the AH and if he tries to force her to have an abortion he is also the AH. It’s her body and her life. It does take 2 to create a life but his work is done for the next 9 months. The only decision he has to make is whether he’s willing to step up and be a father even if he breaks up with her. It’s her choice to have an abortion because it’s her body and her uterus.

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Anonymous #2 2w

If it is her choice then why does he have to pay child support and contribute if she gives birth? He directly has a lot of stake in the entire decision.

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Anonymous #1 2w

sure he doesn’t get a say on whether she gets an abortion, but she’s dead wrong for insisting on marriage. js because they’re having a kid doesn’t mean he has to stay in a serious relationship with her.

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Anonymous #3 2w

Because it’s her choice to have bodily autonomy. When the child is born it becomes the legal responsibility of BOTH parents and is no longer a matter of bodily autonomy.

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Anonymous #1 2w

Rather than being a dick maybe just wrap it instead

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Anonymous #4 2w

He doesn’t have to marry her. He doesn’t even have to date her. But he is a POS for trying to manipulate her into an abortion. “I’ll break up with you if you keep the baby”

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Anonymous #3 2w

Legally he is responsible for the child obviously however he has absolutely no say in what she can do with her body just like she cant force him to marry her he cant force her to get an abortion If she doesnt believe in abortion and is willing to sacrifice everything thats her choice He doesnt have to give up everything if he doesnt want to but he still has a responsibility for the child because he didn’t wrap his dick It was his choice to not wear a condom and now it’s her choice to keep it

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Anonymous #6 2w

OK, well he still should’ve used the condom. It’s not her fault that her birth control got messed up and if she’s taking responsibility for the situation and made her choice, that’s her right.

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Anonymous #6 2w

He doesn’t have to be with her, but he shouldn’t manipulate her to make a decision. If he had an issue with her being MAGA why sleep with and date her? Tf

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Anonymous #5 2w

Yes, but I am saying that the logic doesn’t make sense. I am aware the legal system works this way. I am saying that the concept of child support works off the basis that the man is part of the choice of getting pregnant and now has to take accountability for his choices. If the pregnancy is entirely the woman’s choice and the man has no say in it because it is her body then it logically follows that he should not have to pay child support.

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Anonymous #3 2w

You know it doesn’t the man had the choice to wear a condom and put on spermicide or get a vasectomy.

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Anonymous #3 2w

Just like if the man wants the baby to stay alive, the woman can abort it doesn’t matter. The man doesn’t have to interact with the baby if he’s a piece of shit he can just do child support. He doesn’t have to have any rights or any custody of the kid.

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Anonymous #3 2w

However, his actions is what created a life so he does financially have to support that child in someway.

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Anonymous OP 2w

Ok so in this situation we are working off the assumption the fetus has no human value right? It is just the equivalent of being part of the woman’s body? So if this is the case it then follows that the choice that is either bringing the child into existence or not doing that is ultimately in the woman’s hands with abortion. If the father wants an abortion and the woman chooses not to it logically follows that the father only brought forth the needs in order to bring about the child but is not

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Anonymous #3 2w

We are working off the fact that the woman wants the fetus and it has value to her and she has a right to keep it regardless of what the father of the fetus says.

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Anonymous #3 2w

Go fight it with the court system.

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Anonymous #3 2w

Go argue with the court system because honestly, the court system doesn’t agree with you and neither do I.

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Anonymous #3 2w

You can forfeit all custody and rights to a child but you can’t forfeit child support unless the mother or main provider/guardian of the child requests that. Sorry to bother you! Even mothers pay child support so your argument is invalid. BYE

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Anonymous OP 2w

Well you opened up a forum of discussion and here i am discussing with you. It is rhetoric neither me or you really have much say over the legal system. I want to learn about your opinion and how you came to your conclusion.

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Anonymous #3 2w

You’re arguing with the wall

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Anonymous #3 2w

You’re trying to play devils advocate, and you just come off as ignorant the child deserves to be supported by either parent who refuses to physically step up

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Anonymous #3 2w

And newsflash you don’t get child support while you’re pregnant. You only get child support once that baby is born.

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Anonymous OP 2w

You’re being very emotional, she doesn’t have to get an abortion but men are allowed to make mistakes and not want to be in a child’s life financially. Not using condom once doesn’t make you fucking Hitler, calm down.

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Anonymous OP 2w

This isn’t what i believe should happen. This is about the implications of your beliefs. When you say something you are not just saying that but also implying other things.

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Anonymous #3 2w

it does though. the woman will literally have to take accountability for the baby as well. but when it comes to birthing a child (experiencing a bodily trauma) it should only be up to her in the end. yes, the man can weigh in, YES the woman should consider what he says, but at the end it is her body. Ignore the legalities. when the child comes out it is no longer a matter of bodily autonomy as I stated before. that is literally why.

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Anonymous #6 2w

OK, well he didn’t use a condom. She was already on birth control so it’s his fault and no trying to pressure. A woman into an abortion is very traumatic and that’s not fucking right.

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Anonymous #5 2w

honestly applies to both birthing or aborting as both are traumatizing. you should not force either option on someone. so this would apply to the woman wanting to keep the baby rather than aborting. an abortion is traumatic. so yes, the man cannot force an abortion and yes he is at least SOMEWHAT responsible for it. hence child support

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So be it! man should’ve wore a condom! Lol

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Anonymous #5 2w

Exactly! Both are traumatic! Don’t force a woman to do ANYTHING! Just support HER decision! Why are we defending deadbeat fathers like☠️

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A kid?? Who?! Lol I’m 22..

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I’m sure OP is 18-22 too this is a COLLEGE APP

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A mistake? I mean conceiving a child seems pretty intentional to me. Did the dick accidentally slip into the pussy? Also you can give the child up for adoption

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4 years younger than me idgaf my brother had twin boys at 19

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Anonymous OP 2w

No, I am saying that your beliefs carry with them implications which are very harmful to society.

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I never said force birth on anyone. However yea an 18 year old kid knows to put a condom on. I was having sex at 14 as a female and I was on birth control and if I had gotten pregnant I would’ve kept it but I have had friend that have had abortions and supported them in their teenage years

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Anonymous #3 2w

No. People need to pay for the children they bring in the world. Women pay child support if men are the primary custodial parents. Men pay child support if they refuse to step up. It’s fair. Don’t want ur partner to keep a baby? Wear a condom and use spermicide. Do what YOU can to prevent pregnancy.

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Anonymous OP 2w

Ok so one thing is that either something is valuable or not. The fetus is not some potential pet that may be valuable to you. Also arguing based on right is circular It is essentially saying that you deserve something because it is something you deserve It is begging the question

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Anonymous #3 2w

Ok

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Anonymous #3 2w

what are you even saying man

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Anonymous #5 2w

Straight gibberish trying to sound educated but comes off as pretentious af.

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Anonymous #7 2w

Uhm… he’s the asshole because he didn’t wear a condom and is putting all the blame on the woman.

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Anonymous OP 2w

He's not putting blame on her lol he's just saying she wants to keep it and he doesn't so he's leaving, which he's entitled to do

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Anonymous #7 2w

Dude, he’s also an asshole because he literally is trying to manipulate her into aborting the baby

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Anonymous #7 2w

By telling somebody, I’m gonna leave if you keep it is manipulating. Or I’ll stay if you keep it and break up with you if you don’t. Both of those are shitty things to do.

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Anonymous OP 2w

Ehhh. I think it’s not inherently manipulative, because a kid is a big responsibility, so saying hey, if you keep this child, I can’t be with you I won’t take care of it, is fine.

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Anonymous OP 2w

That's not being manipulative lmao

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Anonymous #7 2w

Ok buddy

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Anonymous #9 2w

Most men who say I’ll stay with you if you abort the baby end up leaving anyways. This is a proven fact.

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Anonymous #7 2w

He is “she is MAGA” well then if he didn’t agree with her political views or ideologies he could’ve just… not slept with her or dated her? He needs to take accountability for who the hell he slept with.

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Anonymous OP 2w

I’m very democratic and I’ve already said that I’m pro choice but that doesn’t mean that I’m going to have an abortion. Someone could’ve voted for Kamala and never want an abortion while their boyfriend is conservative but wants her on birth control. Just because you have certain political views doesn’t negate whether or not somebody’s gonna get pregnant or what they’ll do with the fetus.

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Anonymous #11 2w

Actually, yea if someone doesn’t have cancer they shouldn’t really speak on what a person should do if they do have cancer. A person with cancer can advocate for their own treatment or not. You can’t force them to be treated.

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Anonymous #11 2w

What you want can’t infringe on someone else’s biological right.

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Anonymous OP 2w

🙄

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Anonymous #3 2w

Sybau 🥀

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Anonymous OP 2w

Sounds like you’re letting your emotions get in the way of a logical discussion, that really sucks

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Anonymous #11 2w

It’s a joke bro…

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Anonymous OP 2w

So doctors shouldn’t tell patients what to do because they don’t have cancer themselves. Got it!

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Anonymous #11 2w

No one said that? I said no one can dictate what a cancer patient choose to do with their own body! You can’t force them to not get treatment or force them to get it. They have rights. Regardless of how u feel.

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Anonymous OP 2w

You said if someone doesn’t have cancer they shouldn’t speak on it. Don’t lie. It’s right there you can read it yourself

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Anonymous #11 2w

No that’s what I meant lmfao. It’s just like male doctors perform abortions and that’s ok

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Anonymous OP 1w

Court system will not agree with OP, but you should. Men should not have the choice to birth or abort a baby, but they SHOULD have the choice to raise/support it. If I didn’t want a baby, took precautions to not have a baby, and a girl still gets pregnant & decides to go through with it, I should not be forced into child support/marriage/etc.

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Anonymous #13 1w

What do u mean the court system doesn’t agree with me? My mother paid child support because my dad raised me? 😂 70/30 custody

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