Anonymous #1 12w

I mean most basically it means supporting women’s rights. Theres definitely a range of beliefs that could fall under feminism, but I was wanting to see if men consider themselves feminists in any form.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Why would being feminist mean you hate being a man?

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Anonymous OP 12w

I mean yeah i believe in women’s rights, i dont believe in that crazy feminist stuff though obviously but i respect women ofc

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Anonymous #1 12w

What would you consider crazy feminist stuff

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Anonymous OP 12w

That's what TODAYS feminism is, just man hate and a societal push to be men instead of being proud to be women

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Anonymous #2 12w

I’m not sure I am seeing the same feminists you are, in what ways do they push people to be men?

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Anonymous OP 12w

stuff like “fk the patriarchy”, like i really do not get that stuff at all

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Anonymous #1 12w

Well patriarchy means societal structure where men hold authority, so I wouldn’t say that’s too crazy for a woman to want to change.

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Anonymous OP 12w

yeah but it’s 2025 not 1820 women can do everything men can do tbh honestly i think women are more powerful than men now

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Anonymous #1 12w

We still live in a patriarchal society, regardless of what you feel about it. For example most of the government is men, and they still make decisions about women’s healthcare.

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Anonymous OP 12w

okay

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Anonymous freestyle 12w

Your answer has definitely changed. I’m still really disappointed in the majority of guys here.

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 12w

Yeah ngl I got nothing 🧍🏾‍♂️

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Anonymous #2 12w

I'm a feminist and i'm also proud to be a women, bc being a feminist means there isn't just one way to be a women.

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Anonymous #1 12w

you do know the patriarchy hurts men as well right?

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Anonymous OP 12w

I know you don’t agree with them and say that’s not what feminism is about, but I want you to look back at all the comments from this series of posts, and look at the common answer in all of them that “the feminists I’ve seen and experienced in my life are mostly just man-haters”. How many different men do you need to hear it from before you accept that there may be some validity to their experiences?

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 12w

can i ask what you're disappointed in?

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Anonymous OP 12w

Think of it like cops to black people. There’s nothing in the definition of policing that’s anti-black. But when so many people talk about how their experiences with cops have been so negative, you have to start to think about how even if it’s not what your experience with the police has been, maybe they are finding themselves on the receiving end of a different side of policing.

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Anonymous #9 12w

no fucking way you just compared those lol

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Anonymous #8 12w

Deal with it

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Anonymous #8 12w

Getting pre-judged based on the way you were born that you had no control over, getting treated with suspicion when you pass someone on the street at night, being presumed to be a bad actor and a threat to the safety of those around you until proven otherwise… the way feminists profile men is VERY comparable.

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Anonymous seeya_space_cowboy 12w

i'm not strawberry but im a women who frequents this community and for me it's disappointing how many college aged men are woefully undereducated about feminism and making harmful assumptions and generalizations about the movement as a whole. it feels very dismissive and disrespectful.

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Anonymous #7 12w

yeah i kinda put that together after reading through a few comments as well ngl

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Anonymous seeya_space_cowboy 12w

Oh yeah of course I can explain. 7 was right. To me the men who say they don’t support feminism? It’s like saying they don’t support women’s rights. That they don’t see how women are still underprivileged. And some of the men in similar posts have said such things. It shows a fundamental lack of understanding for others and it proves a lot of willful ignorance.

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 12w

yeah i absolutely understand where you're coming from. what i will say, is i think most men agree with the ideology of feminism, whether they understand it or not fundamentally. i say this not as an excuse, but to hopefully restore at least a little bit of your faith in men. obviously this doesn't excuse anything, and i 100% understand why you're upset about men saying they dont support feminism. feminism is a movement thats been going on for multiple generations, and to turn your back on it

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Anonymous seeya_space_cowboy 12w

I do also believe most men support it. It’s just a loud minority who don’t. Perhaps getting a bit less of minority now but I digress. That’s why I was/ am disappointed in this poll. I understand having bad experiences with so called feminists, I myself have had them. But isn’t that what we try and stop people from doing in general? Having bad experiences with men doesn’t make them all bad, same logic here.

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 12w

over the most extreme example is pretty crazy. its similar to turning your back on a religion because of the extremists in that religion. obviously there will be extremists in every group, but you have to stand behind the message. if you believe in equality for women, you have to stand behind it. the term feminist is a sign of unity in my eyes. sorry this is really poorly written im like half asleep rn but hopefully my point got across well

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Anonymous seeya_space_cowboy 12w

lots of men are extremists in this sense. many women die to men. very few men die to women. the poll math is mathing must fine to me

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Anonymous seeya_space_cowboy 12w

I completely agree with your points and you did very well for someone half asleep lol. I completely agree with you and I’m glad you see why me and some of the other women in this comment section are put off.

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 12w

absolutely. i hope if nothing else, you're able to feel seen and know that there are men who stand with you.

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Anonymous #8 12w

Misandry is a part of feminism whether you like it or not.

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Anonymous #9 12w

As a black man, you did not just try to compare feminism for men to cops for black people 😭🙏🏾 get tf outta here

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Anonymous #13 12w

“You did not” Uh, I did.

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Anonymous #9 12w

And you’re just as ignorant for doing so 😭

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Anonymous #5 12w

I said what I said

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Anonymous #9 12w

We know. And so did I. Why are you comparing feminism to racism and cops to black ppl. Police brutality should not be compared to feminism. Idc what you said

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Anonymous #5 12w

Coming from a black person you can say whatever you want it doesn’t change the stupidity of it

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Anonymous #5 12w

I didn’t say anything about brutality. I said she should listen and try to understand when men talk about their negative experiences with feminists rather than dismiss them because that’s not what her experience with feminism has been. The same way white people should listen and try to understand when black people talk about their negative experiences with police, instead of dismissing them because that’s not what their own experience with policing has been.

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Anonymous #14 12w

Thanks for the comment. I think a lot of men are forgetting that this mindset falls under feminism and is actually probably the majority of feminists, not just the radical ones.

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Anonymous OP 12w

The issue is that it’s the radicals for any group that can set a narrative for anything.

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Anonymous #5 12w

I said being treated by default like you’re a criminal until proven innocent, being regarded like you’re a threat to public safety and people crossing the street to stay away from you because they assume you’re out to attack them was comparable.

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Anonymous #9 12w

Literally you can’t relate simply telling someone to listen to cops and black ppl that’s just tone deaf. And women have listened it doesn’t change that men have scewed and misinformed notions on feminism without ever experiencing feminism from a woman’s perspective on what it actually is. Just the extremism and misandry they believe it to be

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Anonymous #5 12w

Telling white people that they should listen to the experiences of black people and try to understand them, instead of dismissing them, is tone deaf?

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Anonymous #9 12w

No the correlation you made to feminism is tone deaf

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Anonymous #5 12w

Telling OP, who wants to know why so many men don’t want to associate with feminism, that she should listen to the men who are answering that they’ve had negative experiences with feminists instead of just dismissing their experiences, is tone deaf?

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Anonymous #9 12w

I am listening to your alls experiences, that’s part of why I made this post. What I don’t understand is why these experiences lead you to denounce the movement as a whole. It is a bit tone deaf to be honest, first of all like the other person said it wasn’t an even comparison with the race analogy. Second of all, it’s hurtful to women to know that you’d give up advocating for their rights and safety just because some feminists were mean to you.

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Anonymous #9 12w

I do hear y’all, and I agree that there are women who need to do better in how they talk about feminism and not just paint all men as evil. However, I find it strange that you put that as the main priority when women are still facing violence, sexual abuse, and being stripped of their reproductive freedom.

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Anonymous #9 12w

It's tone deaf because unlike race, feminism is a movement. You choose to become a feminist, and it's a part of your character. You are born black. That's why the preconceived assumptions are different. Men are choosing to unfairly judging the feminist movement not the specific person who gave them that bad experience. Police officers are make racist assumptions based on a person skin color, no experience needed.

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Anonymous #7 12w

Well that’s because you have my analogy backwards, the feminist isn’t the black person in the analogy, the feminist is the cop. You choose to become a feminist, the way cops choose to become police. People are born men, the way people are born black. Feminists unfairly treat all men like potential predators and abusers, the way cops unfairly treat all black people like potential thieves and killers.

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Anonymous OP 12w

Only 18% of American women identify as feminists. Do you think 82% of women all don’t support women’s rights either?

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Anonymous #9 12w

You are still unfairly deeming feminist to a monolith. The radicalist don't represent the entire movement that has been around for centuries. Instead of judging the movement they should judge the person. I mean if you get cheated on, and you blame that person's gender that wouldn't be fair since that person doesn't represent their entire gender.

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Anonymous #17 12w

love bell hooks!!

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Anonymous OP 12w

“Women’s Rights” I consider myself a feminist, but when I get torn down for trying to open someone’s eyes about not killing their baby DAUGHTER…. Where is your women’s rights then? It seems many women uphold the worst role models like shallow celebrities or influencers as symbols of empowerment. Modern feminism is masked misandry.

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Anonymous #14 12w

And they definitely have the loudest voices on social media

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comparing feminism to nazis is a pretty stupid and extreme stretch and also doesn’t address the issue. every movement has its extremists but that doesn’t mean the entire movement should be defined by them. Not all feminists support problematic figures just like not all right wingers support nazis. Feminism at its core is about equality and rights for women. Just because there are people out there who misrepresent the movement doesn’t mean that defines it as a whole.

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if you’re gonna criticize feminism then stick to it’s actual values and not straw man argue with extreme examples

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Never seen/heard of a feminist to advocate for women in the draft. It's about equality, right?

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Anonymous #18 12w

If you want to prevent unwanted pregnancies, we need to improve sex education and access to contraception. Abortion should remain available as a medical procedure because, again, women should have the right to make decisions about their own body. Nobody wants more abortions, but it needs to remain an option for those who can’t carry a child for physical, financial, or emotional reasons.

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it also promotes breaking social structures that cause men to isolate themselves and suffer in slience alone which lead to and you guessed it the male loneliness epidemic. as well as like the lowering male suicide rates, and speaking about the lack of resources for men's mental health.

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We don’t just dislike rightwingers because of nazis though. I dislike rightwingers because I also disagree with most of their fundamental values. A lot of people in the comments r saying they agree with the concept of feminism but dismiss it because of rad fems. I also think rad fems are not a fair comparison to nazis because while they can be mean and annoying, they do not cause harm on nearly the same scale as literal nazis.

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Hi yeah Jewish woman here. You cannot compare “radfems” or misandrists to Nazis. Not at all. You even saying that shows a fundamental lack of understanding for history.

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Even then though the nazi ideology isn't even close to the core value of what a conversative today is. so that's still and unfair comparison. Nazi is an inherently communist ideally while conservativism is inherently democratic.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Well over half of us do consider ourselves a feminist!

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What a utopia we would have to live in to never have compulsory military service. Thank God we never had to call the draft before😅

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really? how so

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are you saying the male loneliness epidemic isn't because of the toxic gender roles that men feel like they're forced to ahere too?

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Anonymous OP 12w

“For physical, financial, or emotional reasons” I’ve always wondered about those. Physical I get, no one should be forced to do something that’s going to literally kill them. But financial? Like, men aren’t allowed to just ‘nope’ out of being a dad because it’ll be hard for their finances, they literally get forced by the courts to pay a contribution not even based on how much they make but how much the courts decides they *could* be making.

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Anonymous #9 12w

What if I told you I also think that men should be able to opt out of a pregnancy? I don’t think people should be bringing a child into the world without considering the means they have to pay for and support them. Once the baby is born though and you’ve both made that decision, both parents have made a commitment to provide for the child. That’s why it’s best to make that decision before the baby is born.

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Anonymous OP 12w

Then I’d say you’re ideologically consistent. But what does that mean exactly, since men have no say in whether or not the child is born?

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Anonymous #22 12w

Hardships women go through. I feel like people who are radically against feminism probably would change their minds if they had to spend a day in someone’s body outside their own.

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Anonymous freestyle 12w

Character development (idk what bro said a few months ago)

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can you provide examples of what your referencing. i just feel like my take of modern feminism is vastly different from yours. since peoole protesting suicide awareness events in the name of feminism wouldn't be considered feminism

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Anonymous #22 12w

Thank you for this.

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So okay, so I looked it up and there wasn't anything about there being a MRA in Toronto, and I also couldn't find anything about counterprotesting events to address male suicide rates? Also while as I don't think women should automatically assume a man is a sexual predator, it be naive for her to assume he is completely safe as well. I think it's understandable for women to be wary around strange men.

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Anonymous #7 12w

I could be searching the wrong thing though but if you want DM me and share the links that be great, i wouldn't want to keep spamming the comment section.

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Yes I do. Because I don’t believe even with the anger they have against men they will attempt a genocide.

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Well yes? If you believe in gender supremacy of any kind, then you aren't inherently a feminist. Feminism is a specific application of egalitarian principles within the context of gender. It's basically a subset of egalitarianism. It adopted the name feminism since women were oppressed by men, and misandry stims from the anger women have against the men who've oppressed them. It however is a negative by product of a bery nuanced movement about equality and the patriarchy.

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Anonymous #7 12w

It's like during the civil rights movement there were some black supremacist who did believe that black people were the superior race and were fighting to surpass white people, but that's not what the civil rights movement as a whole sought out to do, since those individuals didn't seek out equality. They sought out superiority.

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Anonymous #7 12w

You wouldn't say someone like Rosa Parks was a black supremacist though, she was a civil rights advocate. However according to your logic though they are one in the same, since the extremist or the ones who represent the entire movement.

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Absolutely not. Those people don’t have the power and they never will to make those decisions. Two if you do honestly believe that they will try to put men in concentration camps you haven’t learned anything from history.

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except literally everyone is telling you the movement hasn't been corrupted by "evil people" i also explained why misandry exists. it be impossible for their to be any movement without the anger of the oppressed taking it out on the oppressors. there are queer people that hate straight people. trans people who hate cis people. black people who hate white people. etc. what happens though is educated people within that movement denounced those ideas, even if they become their own loud minority.

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You’re not approaching it maturely you’re making it about men that are essentially the same crybabies that will dismiss our feelings and say “not all men” when in actuality none of us have ever meant all men in this movement so idk why so many of you in this thread and others use that excuse. We hate awful behavior from everyone. We just hate it especially on men’s actions that harm women bc it’s more frequent…it’s not misandry

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Are you calling minorities tokens despite them being women in the movement and actually facing it harder than the average girl?

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Wow you’re very dense

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Now you’re just playing victim to a non serious scenario…the movement doesn’t even speak for that

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They don’t speak for me.

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Maybe change the reply then.

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You don’t add value hence when you’re not liked by any girl in this thread rn bc you’re too ignorant to understand what feminism is. You make it about yourself

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I have many time talked about the influence of misandry. You don’t know me and what I talk about. But to claim it’s the same as Nazism? That is something no one will ever agree with you on.

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Nope you’re pathetic. You are very ignorant and misinformed and quite frankly the extremist you hate bc you fail to separate the loud minority to the vast majority after countless ppl corrected and educated you. You’re not willing to learn and be educated but say we’re uneducated…the actual ppl that are targeted in the movement. Are you a woman that can tell us how to carry a movement then? Based on your comments I’m reading you take it to an obtuse level…

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Anonymous #5 12w

You act just like 9…you’re comparing it to baseless and ignorant topics that are quite different than feminism

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Okay so let me get this straight. You are the one who decided to throw a temper tantrum and compare radfems to nazis and are making extremely vauge generalizations about feminism, claiming it's been ober taken by misandrists (which mind you have no research backing them up) and you are claiming like four different people (who i'm pretty sure are all women) are all in the wrong and just apologizing for feminism?? Correct.

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Looks like someone is offended and projecting. Why would you ever compare something to Nazism? That’s just as tone deaf as the BLM remark 😭

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You assuming I’m angry shows a lot. I have done nothing but respectfully talk about how it’s incorrect. Yes there’s a lot of people who have had bad experiences with feminism. But if you wouldn’t say that men as a whole are bad for women having bad experiences why wouldn’t you say the same for feminism? Do you not see the hypocrisy?

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You are throwing a tantrum because everyone else is is speaking to each other in a respectful tone and you are speaking down to us, and trying to frame it like we are the ones who are misunderstanding you. You literally called us annoying and angry, have been saying condescending phrases this whole time. You literally replied to a book rec with a snarky remark. It's disrespectful

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Anonymous inphochewated 12w

erm more like every 6.5th but i'll let it slide

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They gave respect. Don’t call them princess to be condescending and negate what they said into a lesser value statement. You can speak your mind but don’t try to speak ignorance onto ppl as a whole

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Anonymous #24 12w

if i had a nickel for every comment i've seen today where someone who doesn't understand feminism compares it something of unequal magnitude i'd have two nickels. not a lot but weird that it happened twice.

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Anonymous #24 12w

what a dumb fucking comment💀

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Anonymous #7 12w

If I had a nickel for every idiot who doesn’t understand the concept of a logical analogy and that purpose is to illustrate logical consistency, not to equate magnitude…

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Anonymous #24 12w

Bro what 😭

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Anonymous #9 12w

this analogy isn't even remotely similar though which is the issue.

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Anonymous #9 12w

Profiling my ass dude shut up genuinely. When women see men on the street at night they avoid them, they do not resort to violence unless they are being attacked. Look around you dude, look at all of the violence against women that is happening and has ALWAYS happened. Racial profiling and “misandry” are two different things. Men do not get killed for being men like women do for being women. Get over yourself

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Anonymous freestyle 12w

Hey dude I respect this response but I just wanna ask, how would you compare feminism in the past to so-called “modern” feminism? This is just a statement I have seen a lot, so I wanted to ask

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 12w

Love you bro

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Anonymous #7 12w

That I actually agree with. I just wish most of the feminists I’ve interacted would abide that same standard and not judge men as a monolith. One of the self-proclaimed feminists on one of these other posts literally commented that misandry is valid because some men rape and abuse. If you’re the kind of feminist who would call that out instead of defend and justify it, then your feminism is cool with me.

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Anonymous #25 12w

Nah

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Anonymous #9 12w

yeah so feminism ≠ female superiority! if you are a supremacist of any kind that goes pass being an extremist, it's a whole other ideology:)

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Anonymous #18 12w

And are the most active in the courts, offices, and (rather sadly) classrooms.

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Anonymous #7 12w

Lmfao no its not nazisim is conservative they lied about being socialist. They were facist thats conservative

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