Anonymous #2 6w

Oh so women getting sexually assaulted by men isn’t able to be legally considered as sexual assault?

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Anonymous OP 6w

This isn’t about being taken seriously, it’s about being able for it to be acknowledged even slightly

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Anonymous OP 6w

Thats not what I said? Legally in the US rape is rape and sexual assault is sexual assault, courts and law enforcement dont take either genders accusations seriously, women get sexually assaulted disproportionately more than men so its easy to claim men arent taken as seriously because women get more convictions, but thats not the case, men just have less cases to report period, the amount that get wrongfully dismissed is close to equal across genders

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Anonymous #2 6w

In my state you can’t legally be raped by a woman

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Anonymous OP 6w

As a man

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Anonymous OP 6w

Your argument is completely lost when your claim is men get raped too instead of men get raped, when youre choosing to compare to a group that is wildly more effected by the problem youre automatically making your side look insignificant, I think ALL victims should be taken seriously but men get raped is its own sentence

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Anonymous OP 6w

What state are you in? All states follow federal law first and federal law does not have that problem

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Anonymous #2 6w

I’m sorry I don’t take people seriously who automatically bring that up as a counter argument towards this

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Anonymous #2 6w

Georgia, federal law doesn’t override state rape laws. Or at least that’s what it said when I looked it up.

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Anonymous #2 6w

If all states follow federal law first, how do certain states have legalized marijuana when marijuana is federally illegal?

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Anonymous #2 6w

You would say “all lives matter” in response to blm wouldn’t you

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Anonymous #1 6w

If you follow court chains and dispute claims the federal law will eventually be prioritized thats how the constitution holds power, state constitutions can differ all they want but the federal level will be prioritized if you self advocate and argue it

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Anonymous OP 6w

Come on, you have a good argument, don’t start politicking and race baiting… keep the high ground, dude.

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Anonymous OP 6w

I went to blm protests and Im a leftist thx, it wasnt a counter argument the question was what do women have that men dont have and you said the ability to legally pursue assault allegations

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Anonymous #2 6w

Telling him to self advocate and take it to Supreme Court is a really interesting concept

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Anonymous #2 6w

https://apps.rainn.org/policy/policy-crime-definitions.cfm?state=Georgia&group=3

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Anonymous #1 6w

That wasnt what I said either I was explaining how state vs federal law works not giving advice 💀 twisting my words when Im directly answering your question doesnt make your argument stronger

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Anonymous #2 6w

Women have the right to genital integrity and protection against non consensual genital mutilations / modifications forced upon them by doctors and parents at birth. anti-fgm act of 1996. Men are still waiting for the equal protection clause to kick in and protect boys from circumcision.

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Anonymous OP 6w

That sucks on GA's part and as I said Im sorry for what happened to you and I wish you healing, that doesnt change anything else Ive said though

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Anonymous #1 6w

This conversation isnt about circumcision and Im not going to argue on that front because Im not educated on it

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Anonymous #2 6w

You’ll say anything but admit that OP is right in the specific jurisdiction and case law of Georgia.

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Anonymous #2 6w

Wouldn’t men not being able to be considered raped be against what the oop talked about?

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Anonymous #2 6w

First you say “just take it to federal court” now you’re saying “that sucks bro, I’m sorry, but I’m still right” lmao come on.

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Anonymous #1 6w

I never claimed to know georgias law or said they were wrong about it? I commented on federal law which is correct and still stands, explaining how federal vs state law works and advising them to pursue federal action are not the same thing, Im criticizing the georgia legislation and apologizing for what happened to them, youre trying to twist this like im pro male rape or sm bs 💀

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Anonymous OP 6w

Yes it would in the case of your specific state legislature but my point was that comparing male and female assault loses the point of your argument, because women are so disproportionately effected by the issue

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Anonymous #2 6w

I’m trying to be super nice to you, but you keep saying that.

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Anonymous #2 6w

Like it’s taking everything from me to not unload on you.

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Anonymous #2 6w

Your state has a poor and unjust law and Im sorry thats the case but that doesnt make my explanation of federal vs state law incorrect, it doesnt justify you making a sexual assault argument in a male vs female conversation, and that doesnt make me pro assault in any way

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Anonymous #2 6w

Any comment on the right to genital integrity?

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Anonymous #1 6w

As I said Im not educated on circumcision or genital mutilation when it comes to men so Im not commenting, if im not educated I have no place to argue that topic

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Anonymous #2 6w

I just extremely hate people who bring up that it’s more likely to happen to women or that when it happens to men it’s always by men.

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Anonymous #2 6w

You’re back pedaling and changing the goal posts in real time, genuinely wild. Now your final argument is “well women get raped more than men so it doesn’t even matter”. Hysterical.

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Anonymous OP 6w

Like fuck that’s so triggering.

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Anonymous #2 6w

“Your state has a poor and unjust law” exactly! That’s the point he is trying to make…!! That’s the right… men’s right… that he’s advocating for??

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Anonymous #1 6w

Thats not my argument, men get raped is its own sentence, Id love to talk about how men should be taken more seriously and how its too normalized to objectify and harass men but when you compare it to the female rape problem your argument loses integrity its a fact

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Anonymous #2 6w

this isn’t a zero sum game. But alright. Third time I’m asking if you have any comment or opinion on the fact that we don’t have rights to genital integrity as infants and over 80% of men get non consensual genital mutilation at birth?

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Anonymous #2 6w

🤓👆”erm actually women get raped more so when you bring up the fact that men can’t even try and get vengeance for what happened to them in some states, it’s actually loses integrity”

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Anonymous #1 6w

And this is the third time Ive told you Im not educated on circumcision or genital mutilation to be commenting on the matter

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Anonymous OP 6w

This is a gold mine for hypocrisy and exactly why men’s rights is a thing that needs to be advocated for.

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Anonymous OP 6w

Again not what I said, twisting my words doesnt strengthen your argument

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Anonymous #2 6w

How about the fact that men don’t qualify for federal financial aid programs unless we sign up for the draft

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Anonymous #2 6w

Is this someone else’s message?

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Anonymous OP 6w

No but youre twisting the words in it? "Men get raped is its own sentence" comparing it to female assault which is what you did by commenting on a post about rights that women have that men dont does devalue your argument because the likelihood that I get raped (which has happened multiple times) is dramatically higher than the likelihood it happened to you (which im sorry about), that doesnt make either of our experiences less valuable and significant which is what Ive been trying to say

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Anonymous OP 6w

In that same ss I am openly saying Id love to have a discussion about how men need to be advocated for when it comes to assault so you are blatantly twisting my words

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Anonymous #2 6w

The right that men (in Georgia) don’t have is being able to legally get justice for being raped by a woman. Do you understand that? You’ve said the law is unjust and you’re sorry for it, so it seems that you do understand it.

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Anonymous #1 6w

And you consistently bringing up new topics to derail the argument is helping no one at all, those are seperate issues that deserve their own conversation with parties educated enough to speak on them, which I am not, and I have said that

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Anonymous #2 6w

Nobody is trying to take away from your experience. Men’s rights is not taking away from your sexual assault experience. Please.

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Anonymous #2 6w

Him commenting on the fact that men in Georgia don’t have the right to pursue justice against their sexual assault perpetrator is not devaluing your experience as a woman getting raped, regardless of how more likely it is.

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Anonymous #1 6w

Which again I did not say, I said quotw verbatim "that doesnt make either of our experiences less valuable or significant"

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Anonymous #2 6w

Again; fourth time I’m asking. Do you have any opinion on the fact that women have protection against genital mutilation (circumcision) or are you going to conveniently ignore that right?

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Anonymous #2 6w

Just because you said “that doesn’t make either of our experiences less valuable or significant” doesn’t mean it magically takes away from your words you chose

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Anonymous #1 6w

Fourth (fifth really) time Im replying to this question from you, thats not a topic Im educated on enough to comment

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Anonymous OP 6w

She’s obviously just back pedaling and doesn’t really seem to care about men’s rights beyond “being right”

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Anonymous OP 6w

Like I already told you how triggering it is for people to bring up that it’s more likely for women to be raped than men but you keep doing it.

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Anonymous OP 6w

Im literally agreeing with you that the law is unjust it needs to change, men should be advocated for and harassment and objectification is too normalized against men, all things Ive already said, I dont know what else you want me to say??

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Anonymous OP 6w

You can’t even bring attention to your own sexual assault experience without her jumping in and saying that it “sucks BUT.. women have it worse!!!”

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Anonymous #2 6w

Yeah but you can’t seem to understand how that’s a right that men should have

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Anonymous #2 6w

Thank you!!! That’s ALL you had to say at the very beginning. Seriously.

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Anonymous OP 6w

I do! And I said that! Saying the law is unjust is saying you should have that right, youre literally arguing with someone who agrees with you

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Anonymous #2 6w

You could have just said that at the very beginning instead of denying and then saying he should just “take it to federal court” and then saying “but women are more likely to be raped!” And back pedaling and changing the goal posts. You need to think about what you said earlier.

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Anonymous #2 6w

Oh ok, my apologies. Whenever people bring up that women get raped more than men I kinda see red.

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Anonymous #1 6w

I didnt tell him to take it to federal court dude you asked how federal vs state law worked in overrides and I explained that, I havent said any single new thing in my last couple of replies youre literally switching up over a summary

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Anonymous #2 6w

It’s almost like you forgot the original question of “what right do men not have?” And started getting defensive about the fact that a dude can get raped and not able to even convict their abuser and somehow started twisting it into a “but you’re taking away from the female rape problem” issue good gosh.

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Anonymous #2 6w

You are literally saying “well state law is whatever just keep appealing up the chain and eventually you’ll be in federal court”

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Anonymous #1 6w

Include the whole ss, you asked, I answered, that was not advice and you taking it out of context doesnt change that

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Anonymous #2 6w

Also federally, the equal protection clause grants equal rights regardless of sex or race. Yet; women have the right to genital protections and men are not afforded this same right. Circumcision is a violation of both human rights (according to the UN) and also the US constitution equal protection clause.

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Anonymous OP 6w

Your based OP sorry this derailed into a huge argument, I genuinely didnt mean to upset you and I do agree that law is a problem and some advocacy needs to happen, muting this chain now ✌️

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Anonymous #4 6w

In today’s society there is not justice for SA victims, bc the courts/laws are so fucked. BUT that does NOT meat OP is not a victim. No matter what (as someone who has been thru brutal sexual trauma and never got justice legally) I feel for you OP. But the argument you’re making over “women have this and men don’t” is bad, please get therapy for that. Everyone that is SA’d has it bad and has no legal stance (as you don’t stand a chance for a trial and at trials the victim is usually blamed-

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Anonymous #4 6w

- retraumitized and it can be public) There’s no safety for any victims and the little help you may receive will most likely not be enough. OP I feel for you, this is raw and emotional but don’t become like her. I turned public, wrote and told my story and that was how I got “justice”… Ik everyone isn’t like that or able to be but if you can LET IT BE KNOWN!!

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Anonymous #4 6w

To all of you who have been hurt, I’m so sorry that those monsters treated you like that. You are beautiful/handsome and didn’t deserve it. I hope you can heal and learn to be yourself again. Pls don’t ever give up.

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Anonymous #4 6w

*mean

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