Anonymous hellraiser 4w

But I’m not a virgin by choice, thus I’m involuntarily celibate

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Anonymous poli_sci_guy 4w

most guy virgins prolly aren’t virgins by choice. you don’t need to identify with a group that’s so obviously problematic. you have to understand social contexts here. no one cares if you’re struggling to get laid or weird or awkward. no one hates you for that. we hate the ones who are consumed with hatred and jealousy of women, the ones who spread hateful or innacurate messages and are just entirely miserable

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Anonymous poli_sci_guy 4w

Why do you feel the need to make that such an identity and name yourself based off of that. And a name that has any connection to these people. Just don’t call yourself anything.

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Anonymous hellraiser 4w

I have beeb like that at points…but not all of the time, hence my name

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Anonymous poli_sci_guy 4w

if you find yourself slipping into that category of resenting women, being nasty online and overall buying into incel rhetoric then you needa check yourself but if you’re a genuinely good guy then women don’t hate you. they may not be attracted to you or wanna date you but that’s not hate

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Anonymous poli_sci_guy 4w

*been

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Anonymous #2 4w

Cuz it gives a name to my struggle. I feel like I’m not alone in that struggle by identifying myself w/ it.

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Anonymous poli_sci_guy 4w

I feel like you’re on thin ice to slipping down a dangerous path if you’re associating with so called incel spaces or forums or people

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Anonymous #2 4w

Said by someone who’s been in those spaces out of curiosity

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Anonymous #2 4w

It’s not my whole life

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Anonymous poli_sci_guy 4w

I just talk to other guys like that on here

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 4w

What should I call myself then? Incel-lite? Lol

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Anonymous poli_sci_guy 4w

Coming from another dude, someone isn’t an incel simply because they don’t get play. They also blame and hate on women irrationally for not getting play, it’s a mind set more than anything that makes someone an incel

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Anonymous #5 4w

Being a incel is not just being a virgin, it’s so much more than that. Why would you identify yourself with a literal anti women hate group😭😭

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Anonymous #7 4w

In a rude/misogynistic way or act like creeps. Saying that your part of a group known for hating women and blaming all of their problems on them makes women think you think they same way. Just stop with the incel stuff, it’s not helping you.

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Anonymous poli_sci_guy 4w

That’s a good question. You should have safe spaces to talk about this, reflect on it, learn from it, and better understand yourself. I think that bad people have kind of ruined the word “incel”, and identifying as one will likely take you into an environment that is far from safe and supportive.

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Anonymous poli_sci_guy 4w

A similar thing happened to the word “feminism”. It started out as simply a person who believes in gender equality and participates in activism, but many people today believe it is about hating or dominating men. So what do we do, if we want to advocate for women to go to school in Afghanistan? Do we reclaim “feminism” or pick a new word?

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Anonymous poli_sci_guy 4w

What do you think you should do with the term “incel”? Could go either way. Convincing women to like people who call themselves incels might be difficult. But calling yourself an incel will appeal to other incels. People falling into that hate trap could join your supportive incel community instead of gravitating to hateful content.

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Anonymous #8 4w

The difference is those “feminists” aren’t true feminists while those incels are true incels

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Anonymous #8 4w

It’s the incels that are ruining the term

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Anonymous #5 4w

Yes, there are more bad incels than bad feminists. And the people talking bad about feminists are often narcissistic men who can’t see that. But the fact remains that both words had an original meaning that was twisted by shitty people.

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Anonymous #8 4w

I don’t think it’s fair to compare women who hate men, most likely bc they experienced violence from men. To men who hate women and want to harm women

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Anonymous #5 4w

Hate is a strong word. I think anyone is justified in AVOIDING people or being suspicious of them, but genuinely hating people for no reason other than gender is never justified. Also, there are narcissistic men and narcissistic women, and narcissists of both sexes are more predisposed to see their sex as superior. There are genuinely bad people among both feminist and incel circles who are there specifically to spread sexism and fuel their egos.

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Anonymous #5 4w

But you are right that the VIOLENCE against women is much worse than the… mean words… that some man haters spread around.

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Anonymous #5 4w

Hate that comes from being stalked is definitely more justified than hate that comes from being rejected.

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Anonymous #8 4w

It just feels icky to compare these two things when misandry only exists because of misogyny. Would those toxic “feminists” exist if the women hating incels didn’t?

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Anonymous #5 4w

Yes, they would. Narcissistic people will find the dumbest reasons to hate someone, from their hair color to their sex to their favorite movie. There absolutely would be narcissistic women claiming superiority over men and vice versa even if patriarchy never existed. Patriarchy is the only reason we have many good feminists— because there are actual reasons for feminism that lead good people to identify that way as they bring change.

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Anonymous #8 4w

I mean they would still exist most likely but not to the degree that we see today

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Anonymous #7 4w

A lot of the women who talk about hating all men have a history of violence/verbal abuse involving men, which is why they say that. Without the incels and other misogynistic men, I think we would see a significant decrease in the amount of these “bad feminists”. And yeah it does seem icky to compare the two because misandry exists almost exclusively on the internet and doesn’t seem to contribute to many systemic problems, where as women deal with misogyny/violence against them nearly on a daily

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Anonymous #7 4w

basis

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Anonymous #7 4w

To be clear, I am not talking about people saying “all men are bad” on the Internet. I am talking about narcissistic women who are biased against men and show it in their everyday life. The SA survivors who want to talk bad about men online but treat their brothers and male friends with immense kindness are NOT the problem here. It’s narcissistic mothers, teachers who show favoritism toward female students, etc. Actual bias against men does exist irl, but not as widespread or entrenched as misog

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Anonymous #7 4w

But an even worse problem for feminism is the abundance of narcissistic men who are sexist but hide it beneath hatred of “feminism”. Those guys give feminism a bad name by misrepresenting it

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