Anonymous #1 17w

Also, expecting an established hacker group to work with your revolution is a moon shot, unlikely, and cannot be planned around. You also will not likely be able to create one as a grassroots org. Caregivers are unspecialized and can be made up of the excluded groups you mentioned

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Anonymous #1 17w

...your first comment kinda implies that doctors can’t be disabled or have ptsd? Just a little confused about that because there are definitely a lot of doctors who are disabled &/or have ptsd and have done front-line things

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Anonymous #4 17w

clinic/hospital doctors? maybe, dependent on the role and disability. combat medics? no. they absolutely HAVE to be able bodied. they need to be able to lift/carry people, run long distances, carry heavy supply bags, have full range of motion to be able to manipulate and work on a patient, be strong enough to give proper CPR, be able to perform under extreme pressure, etc.

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Anonymous #8 17w

it’s not an ableism thing, it’s legitimately for the safety of combat medics and the people they’re working on. if you can’t perform quick, comprehensive care while getting shot at, you cannot be a combat medic.

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Anonymous #1 17w

Medics absolutely can be disabled and have PTSD?? What are you on about? There is such a huge range of disabilities and ways they can impact someone, some of which would prevent someone from serving as a medic, and some of which would not.

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Anonymous #9 17w

so what if they freeze up due to their PTSD in the middle of the field, rendering them unable to provide care to people who need it immediately? maybe they get triggered by the loud noises, the people getting hurt or dying, gunshots, explosions, being grabbed by police, etc. they can’t perform their duties then. if someone’s leg got blown off and they need pressure on the wound and you’re not strong enough to close off the femoral artery, you cannot properly perform your duties. if you’re on -

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Anonymous #8 17w

- one side of the field and the dude dying of a gunshot wound to the chest is a half mile away and you can’t run, that guy is dying because you cannot perform your duties.

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Anonymous #8 17w

it’s not like a hospital where you can rely on other people helping you, combat medicine is often performed solo until the person can be moved off of the field to the infirmary. if you can’t do what you need to do, your patient is fucked.

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Anonymous #4 17w

can you provide examples for this? i come from a military family and in my life i've never come across a medic or front-line personal who was disabled and had severe ptsd.

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Anonymous #11 17w

That’s because the military excludes people based on a host of disabilities, so people don’t get officially diagnosed. I do know people who got diagnoses of neurological conditions & tissue disorders after being honorably discharged, and although they had a range of experiences (none specifically as medics), several of them saw combat

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Anonymous #4 17w

Seeing combat though is different than being on the front lines, and you said there are plenty of doctors who are disabled and have ptsd that have been on the front lines, so im just asking for an example. it doesn't have to be a personal one either

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Anonymous #11 17w

Yeah that’s fair! I was thinking historically about militaries & combat settings in the past, but plenty of americans have (easy example) dx'd PTSD while serving that gets gently ignored until they leave, and they continue to serve in the meantime. With a quick google, Lana Vail seems to fit that bill & is someone who served in the 21st century. Clara Barton, the red cross founder, had depression & a stutter, as another example. And generally medics continue to medic when they're wounded

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Anonymous #6 17w

But your system, liberalism, is based upon an immense amount of violence inflicted daily on the Global South. Thats what the dems and republicans stand for and perpetuate. So yes, a revolution is necessary

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Anonymous #4 17w

none as medics isn’t that interesting lol

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Anonymous #4 17w

depression and a stutter is not the same as combat ptsd. someone with combat ptsd should not be a medic. no one is saying you have to be 100% neurotypical and have no ailments to be a medic, but there are plenty of medical and physical disabilities that prevent you from being a combat medic

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Anonymous ellie 17w

that is literally not true. my brothers who have never read theory but will fight by my side are far more valuable than wimps who have read it all

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Anonymous #13 17w

Lana Vail was literally a combat medic, clara barton was a nurse (I believe women weren’t commonly allowed to be medics at that time?). Dunno what your problem is lol

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Anonymous #13 17w

There are some that prevent you from being a combat medic, yes. The original person talking said that nobody with any disabilities or PTSD could ever be a medic, which is just false.

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Anonymous #4 17w

yeah and lana vail was driven to a su*c*de attempt. it was not healthy for her.

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Anonymous #13 17w

And most diagnoses of neurodivergency are prohibitive to entering the military. There are definitely plenty of people saying that you have to be 100% neurotypical and have no ailments to be a medic. Some of them are in this thread and are who I was responding to

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Anonymous #13 17w

Yeah, untreated ptsd isn’t healthy for anyone... that's kind of the point?

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Anonymous #4 17w

and it’s almost like her continued service while having ptsd is what caused her to reach that point ??? she shouldn’t have been a combat medic!!!

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Anonymous #4 17w

and no one in this thread was saying that you’re just dense

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Anonymous #13 17w

This is literally the beginning comment of the thread we're on, which I believe says "a medic can't afford to be disabled or have PTSD". (Notice the "or"). & when someone else said "it really depends on the disability guys" y'all downvoted them to hell. So uh. Yeah... definitely

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Anonymous #4 17w

this was in response to someone calling them ableist because they were excluding people who didn’t want to be on combat🫠 they are referring to people who have PTSD that would melt down on a battlefield and people that are physically disabled to the extent of not being able to physically do the job

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Anonymous #13 17w

They are literally saying that disabled people as a group cannot be medics because they can't "afford" to be disabled, idk why you're disagreeing with the words that were directly said. This was the beginning of the comment thread. All I am trying to say is that it's unhelpful to assume that all disabled people are incapable of being medics, and it’s kind of silly when there exist people who were literally medics.

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Anonymous #4 17w

and they were downvoted because they were also being dense and not recognizing the nuance and context of the conversation…. sounds like someone i know!

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Anonymous #4 17w

I’m fine to agree to disagree here. I think that people should be evaluated for any job (including combat medic) based on their individual capabilities/characteristics/personalities, and you're free to decide that it’s easier/more effective to start from a narrower pool of people who are more likely to have the traits you're looking for. But it’s very silly, either way, to say that the folks who have served with disabilities and/or PTSD don’t exist

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Anonymous #13 17w

I’m happy that "recognizing nuance" to you apparently means "using general words to refer to more specific groups and expecting everyone to know exactly what you're saying", but that seems a bit like an excuse for not really thinking about your words too hard tbh. Especially since you started talking to me to argue about people being "disabled enough" which is... yokes

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Anonymous #4 17w

no one said they don’t exist, a large portion of people who have served have PTSD and their continued service only made their mental illness more severe and detrimental. and people that are disabled to the extent of not being able to properly perform the job actually haven’t served, but that is not all disabled people. plenty have disabilities that don’t get in the way

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Anonymous #4 17w

i never said anyone wasn’t “disabled enough”. i am disabled. there are different levels to disability that is just face.

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Anonymous #13 17w

I was giving examples of ppl who were combat medics while disabled because someone asked, since they didn’t know of anyone & 1 had, again, literally said that people with disabilities can't be combat medics, and this is what you responded with

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Anonymous #4 17w

i’m aware! because it is not the same as combat ptsd! because as i said, there are different types and levels of disability! jesus christ i don’t need you to send little screenshots i know what i said!

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Anonymous #13 17w

People in this thread have literally said that disabled combat medics don’t exist, as in no combat medics can have disabilities. This is something that was genuinely said in this thread and is why I responded in the first place. We seem to actually agree on this so idk why we're arguing.

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Anonymous #4 17w

because i thought you saying that depression/a stutter is equivalent to combat ptsd in a combat setting was annoying

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Anonymous #4 17w

+ your other example of lana vail was genuinely bad because she is a literal example of why people with ptsd shouldn’t be medics

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Anonymous #13 17w

organized revolution. not protests or a few ppl yapping. structure is needed. without theory opportunism creeps in. there's no movement. call me a wimp if u want. i literally don't care

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Anonymous #14 17w

i believe we're talking about a general revolution. communist style. not just one in this community lol. but i could be mistaken

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