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i agree with the core principle here, but i do think it’s important to also recognize the nuance. eg; severe mental illness can impair judgement and capacity for informed consent, harm to others tends to constitute stepping in, structural barriers exist
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Anonymous 7w

Esp for addiction. Addiction is a complex disease, they often cannot choose to stop even if they want to without some level of intervention (most use isn’t even to get high/drunk/intoxicated anymore, it’s to avoid the physical pain from withdrawals). Like yes, it is their choice to continue to use and harm their bodies, and they have a right to deny help. But that’s not a choice we should culturally be supporting…yaknow?

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Anonymous 7w

You can do whatever you want with your body but you can’t get upset if those choices drive others away

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 7w

I’d need an entire essay to further support your point on mental health, and the barriers that already exist to limit treatment and access to other helpful resources, and how our lack of free assistance programs directly contribute to homelessness and preventable crime (and overloading our prison system for no reason than to support federal slave programs, but I digress). But you’re just so incredibly correct I need you to know that

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 7w

This with my friend’s alcoholism

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 7w

i agree with your points but i have to point out that addiction is likely not a “disease” on its own. it’s usually if not always symptomatic of another issue. intervention in the case of addiction needs to be backed up with mental/physical health support, you can’t just force someone to quit.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 7w

Addiction IS classified as a disease on its own, and even has identified biological components. Yes, just like many mental health diseases (or all chronic diseases in general) you are correct it does have to have multifaceted treatment plans. It involves life changes, talk therapy, medication, behavioral therapy, support system building and rebuilding, etc etc etc. Nobody said anything about forcing people to quit, quitting has to be their own choice. And as a society we should be encouraging it

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 7w

it is currently classified as a disease on its own, but that’s still one of many theoretical models of addiction. we also don’t really classify behavioral addictions as diseases, only substance abuse. I think classing it as a disease is reductive because you can’t treat it with an addiction focused approach, it’s usually a symptom of something else and those other things need to be treated before you can address the addiction.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 7w

i do agree that we should encourage quitting as a society, but addiction is a negative coping skill that needs to be replaced with more positive strategies for reducing pain, managing discomfort, or alleviating anxiety.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 7w

Sorta right, it’s not just a negative coping skill. Even once someone’s situation changes there are still the biological components at play that can cause replace and cravings. But yes, you alleviate pain through medication, physical discomfort through adequate medical care, mental discomfort through therapy, anxiety through therapy, etc. Like I said, multifaceted care and treatment. All of which attendance is a choice we need to encourage

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 7w

Relapse^

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 7w

I think the biochemical processes that occur during/after addiction are really kind of negligible in comparison to the external forces that cause someone to become addicted in the first place. From my own experience and what i’ve seen in people around me I don’t think it’s accurate to treat addiction as an incurable illness.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 7w

I think there is much more merit to the conclusion that addiction is really an escalation of self medication for other chronic mental/physical conditions or that addiction is a type of escapism from stressful situations.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 7w

but like i’m not disagreeing with you, just irritated with the standard approach to addiction treatment since it tends to treat people with addictions as if they’re stupid or as if psychoactive substances can create addictions in a vacuum.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 7w

Brother if our goals are the same why are you arguing about the reason behind our goals? Nobody said anything about treating addiction as an incurable illness. Nobody is saying addicts are stupid. No one is saying psychoactive substance abuse exists in a vacuum. I fear you’re arguing with yourself

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 7w

i’m not arguing with anyone lmao it’s a forum for discussion

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